## Video Content & Description  Ana of Tarantula Addicts joins us to talk about breeding, ICUs, and much much more! Use the code THN @ checkout for 15% off - grab some swag! - https://fulviusapparel.com/ Join TA! - discord.gg/ta ## Transcript **0:00** · We getting prepared with Well, first I got to crack this uh this white monster. **0:08** · You know, you're sick. **0:15** · If white monster means I'm sick, I don't ever want to be cured. I don't ever want to be well. God, it's so good. Uh and then I have to light this here. Seagar. **0:27** · I don't know where my lighter went. not prepared. We started talking about stuff before we even hit record. **0:32** · Yeah, dude. I don't know. It just kind of happened. We just started uh conversing. **0:38** · We did. Uh so this is episode 27 of Ara Nerds. It has been a couple weeks. We've been busy with stuff, slings, podcast schedules between flipping tin and some of the other stuff. And then you were busy one night and I was out herping one night. All just usual usual stuff. But we're back. **1:03** · Uh, this episode is brought to you by Fulvious Apparel. Fulvous apparel.com. Shirts, hats, coffee mugs, maybe zintins soon. **1:13** · Oh, those are I want to do those, but they make me a little nervous because they're kind of like Zippos. The blanks are very expensive. So, if I put some out there and nobody wants them, then I'm stuck with them. And I spent a bunch of money on blanks that I can't do anything with. So, I might do maybe do like a pre-order kind of thing so I can kind of gauge how many I need. **1:36** · Um I don't know. But regardless, um hoodies, I know we're out of hoodie season, at least down here, but they're still available for those of you that live in the Arctic Circle. Um, use the code THN at checkout gets you 15% off your order. That is the exclusive promo code for THN listeners and viewers like you. I do have some new designs that I have been working on. Added a bunch of stuff like last week, week before last. **2:05** · So, if you haven't checked that out, go check that out. **2:08** · And then you need to hop on over to the best invert on the web, the coolest on the web. Yeah. **2:18** · Nice. **2:20** · discord.gg/ta. **2:22** · That is tarantula addicts. **2:25** · Um, great great group, cool people. I thoroughly enjoy hopping on there. I'm not on there a ton. I'm usually just so busy at work. It's not until somebody tags me that I'm like, "Oh, I need to." **2:35** · It's me. I just tagged Justin. That's what it is. **2:38** · Well, I feel like you have to have turn like because there's so many people on there and it's like so active. Like if I kept notifications on, it'd be buzzing like it'd be all day. So, it'd be tough. Yeah, I do I I pop in there periodically. Um, you know, a couple times a week, check out what's going on, send some Bambas pics, send some pictures of whatever I got cooking. Um, Bambis, but it is genuinely a good it's a good community run by very coolest community. **3:04** · And uh, this episode is actually going to kind of like not really center around TA, but who is joining us? **3:18** · Ana from TA, the boss lady. **3:24** · Yeah, essentially. Yeah. Um, she's coming through at some point. **3:31** · Mhm. **3:32** · And, um, be on here shortly because she's on West Coast time, so we figured we'd pop on, get our updates and stuff out of the way. And I mean, what do you got going on up there? **3:45** · Well, Justin, I actually wanted you man. You want Yeah, I'm I'm bad. I'm bad. You gotta start. You had some good We had some good discourse um briefly prior to uh you you toggling the record button. Um so I got a lot of spiders. I mean, I had a lot, but I got even more now. Thanks. **4:10** · Yeah, Justin was very He was a recipient. **4:15** · Dude, my co-workers were like, "What's in that box?" I was like, "More spiders." They're like, "Really?" **4:20** · They're like disappointed because they're not adults and like colorful. It's all like small stuff. And they're all like brown. They're like, "They all look the same." **4:28** · They're wondering, they're like, "Do you even keep snakes anymore?" And I'm like, "Yes, I have plenty of snakes. I still keep them. I just I'm not getting any new snakes at the moment." out, you know, but I got a bunch of stuff, bunch of cool stuff. **4:42** · Um, just went through, came home from work, pulled some molts. Um, but added to the group now is one Oreo Tibialis, which is cool. A handful of HMAX, a couple of Cobalt Blues. **4:59** · I did that. **5:00** · Yep. **5:00** · Phil did that. another ratom which I thought was really cool cuz like so you guys like you and Mike sent me a box and I knew like some of the stuff in the box but I didn't know everything in the box so that was kind of cool because I was like taking out the vials got a male Metallica to go with the you know with Britney Spears at some point. Um what else? um some Salopia, some Cambergy, some Vtory, and I produced those Vtory, which I'm I'm actually super pumped about because of all the Salopas. That's that's one that I Dude, they're metal. **5:30** · Those guys those little guys are savages. **5:34** · Yeah. **5:35** · Yeah. **5:36** · They just grab They'll grab it. Grab food. **5:38** · The little I was not prepared. So, like the only Somalopius I've ever kept was like a single uh Arminia, you know, years ago. And that was the extent of my experience with them. I was like, "Okay, they're cool." Like, I liked it. I enjoyed having it, but I never had the issues that I had with the Cambridge ice slings of like the jumping and the bolting and the hopping and like, so I had that happen. And one of the Cambridge was was had a night on the town in the room. **6:07** · Um, it jumped off the table, landed on the floor, didn't see which direction it went. So, I was like, "Well, shit." And then I was like, "Okay, well, it's I'm probably I doubt I'm going to see it again cuz it's tiny." **6:23** · And so then the next day, I get home from work, walk in my room, look on the ceiling, and lo and behold, that little bastard is just hanging out, um, having them a good old time. So, I managed to to get it back. And you know, I was really irritated with myself cuz I'm like, my room a my room is a bit of a wreck. My room is small and it's there's a lot of crap everywhere. **6:41** · You're a big guy. It's a bull in a china shop situation. Cambridge are quick. **6:46** · Really mad at myself because I was like, if I had a normalsized room, I could I could I could have the space where stuff takes off. Like I'm good. That's why uh like rehousing the the Albus triatis and like some of the serial Pakabus stuff makes me a little more nervous because it's like dude if they take off they get under a rack or something like I'm not getting those back anytime soon. It's not happening and it's uh it's frustrating. But either way, I got that Cambridge ice back. So, all is well there. **7:17** · Um got you just got to do it in a tub. You just got to do it in a tub. **7:22** · Yeah. **7:22** · And I've started I've started doing that depending on the size of the spider. Uh you know, tub in a tub has has helped a little bit for any runners. Um got a male mirror from Mike. **7:36** · So I have that mature female I bought last year. **7:40** · Um Mike had this mature male. Said he's pretty much ready to go. So, we sent him down uh got him set up and everything yesterday and uh he's been hanging out. Kind of getting him prepped for his his storming of the beaches, so to speak. **7:59** · Yes. Excellent. **8:01** · I have no idea what I'm doing, but we're going we're going to do it. **8:04** · You put the boy with the girl in the box and then you protect. You protect. I want to I want to definitely ask Ana about Meera a little bit because from the sounds of it, it sounds like Meera are actually pretty They're really chill. They're really really chill, dude. **8:19** · They're not hard to uh minimal risk of the male getting getting dealt with. So, no, I think he'll be okay. Just give her some food. **8:28** · It's a good species to start with. So, give her some food, dude. Did you give Did you I did I put I put something in there today when I got home from work. Um, she's like, dude, she's freaking plump, man. **8:41** · Yeah, she's really She's She's thick. **8:45** · Excellent. **8:46** · Um, to the point to where like I'm concerned to keep feeding her because I'm afraid she's going to get too thick. **8:53** · Um, good. Good. **8:55** · So, maybe that'll happen this weekend. I don't know. I was talking to Ditz about a little bit. He kind of told me how to set him up so that he doesn't really dig and burrow right away. And you kind of encourage some some sperm web making like, "Hey man, do this. Hey man." **9:12** · Yeah. **9:12** · Yeah. And it's pretty watered down setup. It's basically he's like one inch of moss. Um Yeah. Yep. That's something to anchor the web to via a stick or I put a piece of cork in there, small piece. Um and just wait. So that's what I did. Like you want to see that web and then when you see it, the boy's ready. **9:37** · The boy's ready. Like guns. **9:40** · Yeah, man. When he's ready, he's ready. **9:42** · And um I've seen them pair, I think, four times, maybe three or four times. And they've always been pretty chill as far as baboons go. Um they'll lock up for a little bit, like he'll bend her over. You know what I'm saying? **10:01** · Yeah. **10:03** · Well, also again to get the context of what a mature male mirror looks like because again we see pictures and stuff. **10:08** · They're not big, dude. It's not If you haven't seen a mature male, you don't really have like Yeah, cuz I have three, right? So, I've got one that I thought was a male that now we're starting to think probably isn't and the other two are are females. Um, one of them is the the one that's going to get paired and the other one's a smaller one that I I looked at the molt and it is a girl. Um, so it was like, well, I don't know if this is a boy or not. And everyone's like, well, they're smaller. And it's like, well, how much smaller can smaller be? It's already a small species. **10:37** · So, now that I see it, it's it it's I'm like, okay, I I see I see what people are saying now. you know, there's um it's just kind of frustrating when it's hard to get a real grasp of for reference like the size differences and things like that and like knowing when something's going to be what you need it to be or uh you know, whatever. You know what I mean? But the uh learning, you're learning. **11:05** · Yeah. Yeah. The uh Kapelma molted. Check that mol. That's a female. **11:14** · Um, which those things have weird spermatica, dude. I don't know if you've ever seen pictures of those things. Like they're strange. **11:23** · Really? **11:24** · I don't know how to describe them. **11:25** · They're they're weird. They're like longer and they're almost like they have like little bulbs sort of almost like a jester's hat, if that makes sense. You know what I'm talking about? Where it's like imagine something like that and they kind of like droop over. It's it's strange because at first I was like strange that is what am I looking at and then I looked up the spermaticone in Google and I was like oh okay there's just bizarre you know it's not little dog ears like with the taxinus or other stuff. So that's cool. I like that species. **11:55** · They're uh they're pretty Yeah. I wonder what the uh what the mechanism like what the purpose of that shape is. Maybe I I'm not sure. I mean, off the top of my head, I would think that because they're sort of deeper, you know, quote unquote tunnels, um, as like for spermatica that because maybe they're such an aid species, getting having those deeper canals helps protect or retain things better than shorter spermatica. I don't I don't know. **12:26** · Maybe shooting in the dark. I'm Yeah. **12:30** · Yeah. **12:31** · Then you gave me sent me another Darling. Um, produced by Mike. Oh, yeah. Mike or Devon. **12:38** · So, I've got two of those now. **12:41** · Um, I feel like I'm missing something. I'm sure I am, but I sent you some Lividus. **12:50** · Yep. **12:52** · Um, the Strumatipelma. **12:57** · Oh, I sent you a strata. Oh, yeah. Dude, how do you like those things? there, dude. That thing's like when I was setting that thing up in a slightly bigger vial, like you got to be careful with that. **13:07** · Jesus Christ. Like Yeah. **13:09** · Okay. **13:09** · We're we're sort of in that that realm of like climbs like a pogy but moves like Syria Pagabus as far as like the erratic like not going to do laps. I'm just going to go wherever I want to go chaos kind of thing. So they're very quick. Um they're beautiful, dude. They're so beautiful. Um, such a cool cool spider. **13:35** · Um, I got a I got a a young adult here that I think is female, I think. But, um, they're really pretty dude. Really cool looking spider. Super metal. If I recall, I think are those still sort of regarded as like the most toxic, most potent spider as far as tarantulas go. **14:00** · I have no idea. It'd be a wicked bad bite, but I don't know if it's the If I recall correctly, I feel like Strumatipelma were were supposed to be ranked as like the worst. **14:10** · I Yeah, I don't know. I like venomous snakes. It's like does it really matter because if you just got hit by any of them, it's going to suck, you know? Yeah, you're if you were to get hit by this, dude, you'd be buming for sure. **14:21** · Yep. **14:22** · Um, you'd definitely hear about it. You know what I mean? **14:25** · Mhm. **14:27** · They also get pretty big, dude. Like the females are dec. They're decent size. Like it's a big, you know, it's a big woman. **14:35** · You know what I mean? **14:38** · Super cool. **14:39** · Aroreal baboon ninja. **14:43** · Um, how about those HMAXs, though? **14:47** · Yeah, dude. **14:49** · I fed them the night before. No, what's today? Thursday. **14:57** · I gave I gave each one of those a pre-killed cricket and like like I was saying in the chat yesterday, I was amazed at how much of that they ate considering those pre-killed crickets were pretty big for pretty big. Yeah, I was gonna say I was looking pulling what was left of the crickets out and I'm like, "Good lord, these little bastards thing, dude." No, they eat a ton of it. **15:16** · I was amazed. I was expecting like half of what what they actually ate, but they ate a lot. So, I was like, "All right, it's cool, dude. They're little savages." **15:26** · Oh, I got that Oresus, which is really neat. I set that up in a little micro tarantula crib. **15:33** · Oh, dude. I love I love um velvet spiders. I think they're so interesting. **15:39** · I want to take that little to work so bad just to have on my desk. **15:46** · They're so durable. **15:48** · Um, so robust. **15:52** · They eat like little savages. Um, they're tiny. **15:57** · Mhm. **15:59** · Those uh what is it? Wacka wackeri. **16:03** · Wacaneri. **16:05** · Mhm. **16:06** · The ursus that I sent you. They actually get like an adult. The adult females look crazy. **16:12** · They look so cool. **16:14** · It's like if you had like a cartoonist draw a spider from memory. **16:23** · Yeah, they look like buttons. **16:24** · Beady eyes. Yeah. **16:25** · Yeah. **16:26** · Really neat. Those have had my attention since we had um um we've talked about it a couple times. Yeah. But I know there were some other times we had mentioned it and doing a little more sort of reading on them casually, I was like, "Those are actually pretty neat." I don't I think it kind of fits the best of both worlds. **16:49** · Like you get a longer lived thing than a jumper, but it's still like sort of jumper adjacent. **16:53** · Jumperesque. Jumperesque. Yeah. **16:56** · Yeah. **16:56** · But they're just like they're so uh like you can put a little redr runner nymph that's like quite a bit bigger than the velvet in the little vial and they they will kill it. **17:10** · Mhm. **17:12** · They'll jump on it like they'll attack it. It is It is so interesting to watch them just do what they do, you know? It's so cool. **17:23** · I set mine up I put mine on sand. After some some asking around, I asked our our boy Hannis, you know, Mr. True Spider, and he was like, "Well, most people just kind of keep them on like the same stuff we keep tarantulas on, just dry." And I'm like, "Well, that's going to be tough because this thing is so tiny it'll blend right in with everything else." **17:44** · Yeah. **17:44** · I dude, I would just when mine were tiny like that, I would just literally drop the tiniest red runner nymphs in and then they'd be gone. Like when I would check it's like it's either there or it's not. You know what I mean? **17:58** · Yeah. **17:58** · So I set it up that that little tea crib is like 2 by3 and I set it up. Yeah. And I put a little cork bark in there and he's already like webbed up under the cork and sort of set up shop and just chilling. I just pop some some of those flower beetle larvae in there periodically and you know it's doing its thing. **18:24** · Yeah. Yeah. They're awesome little dudes. I uh I really have grown fond of them for sure. I've got a couple uh couple of those from Cara, couple from Corey. **18:37** · Um, definitely awesome just to get a a good group of those and see like I don't know what the hell pairing them is like, but like I don't know. Could be worth worth trying. You know what I mean? **18:48** · Why not, right? Can't be can't be worse than centipedes. **18:52** · Yeah, that's for sure. **18:54** · Yeah, you sent me another B. Either you or Mike did. **18:58** · Uh, that was probably Mike. **19:02** · I didn't pack that. Yeah. **19:05** · Uh, and then the other are atom. And I think that's it. Again, I'm probably missing something, but male Metallica homie is always Yeah, you got you got quite a quite a quite a bit down there to uh that you had to set up and and get situated. You wouldn't let me send you any centipedes, which is a bummer, but I'll just keep asking. **19:29** · I was like, I can't. I'm good with the Beardus. That's the extent of my centipeding. **19:40** · What about Oh, man. So sad. It's all right, dude. One day you'll you'll get there. **19:50** · I don't think so. **19:52** · I'm going to keep trying. **19:55** · Um, what have you been doing? You've been feeding a bunch of babies, dude. Feeding a bunch of Hmaxs. Slogging. slogging through the HMAX. Um, sent a couple to the homies. Um, and yeah, I don't even know. I think I probably have 40 40 that I'm not holding back still left. I'm not even sure. I'd have to go count. I gave Dritz I think 55 I traded for some centipedes. **20:32** · Um so yeah, I traded uh traded those HMAXs for some Java black morppies and some Sculpendrazio flava. **20:53** · And then I also picked up um some How many are you up to now at this point? **20:59** · How many centipedes? **21:01** · How many centipedes? I don't know. I have to go look. **21:05** · I'm not even counting. I'm just I don't even I have a lot. Um, it's like cuz I have like a little like plastic type shelf, a little like probably like 2 by 18 by like four or five feet tall shelf that's for all my little centipedes. And then I've got a bunch of big centipedes on my KBO, one of my KBO cages on that's on a shelf and then a bunch on the I ate a lot now. And and I don't know, I really liking the Southeast Asian stuff. **21:37** · I really am enjoying the white beards. Um I'm enjoying the pio flava. The galapagosensus are super are are super super cool too. The I get a couple dark phase ones and um I'm really having a blast with them. They're much uh they behave differently than the Southeast Asian ones and um I don't know, they love baby food. Um um trying to think what else. **22:11** · My one of my white beard females is still buried. She's the freaking ginormous one that I got from Frank. Um so yeah, she's still buried. **22:29** · And one of my my other giant one. I don't know. Did I say this last time? She's on eggs. I found her on eggs. I don't think so. Yeah, I found her on eggs, dude. So, yeah, I've got potentially a lot of centipedes on eggs. Maybe maybe a couple centipedes on eggs. I've got a couple paired Dehani. **22:51** · I gave Mike one of my paired orange leg females so that he can set her up and feed the feed the \[ \_\_ \] out of her so that um you know he'll he'll be able to to witness that process. **23:05** · Um could you like I know you can't really just pop in and check on those like whenever you want, right? Like you gotta be so I don't Okay, so I found her on eggs and I turned the lights off in the snake room and I haven't turned them on since. **23:28** · And I don't know when I found her on eggs. I can look to see when I found the picture or when I took I'm just wondering like could you set up like a wise camera or something? Uh, so April 20th on 420 on 420. Hey, I found her on eggs and that was the last time I turned the lights on in the room and um, which was, you know, 10 days ago. **23:56** · But so I just I covered the entire like spider corner in craft paper and she doesn't get any light. If I use light in the snake room, it's red light. Um I don't really talk very loud. I don't play music out loud. I don't touch her enclosure. I don't water her enclosure. Um, I don't breathe too loud. I don't have a fan blowing on her. I don't have a fan blowing on any of my bugs anymore. **24:36** · Too much air currents can cause them to eat their eggs. Like, I'm so quiet when I'm in the snake room now. And it's going to be like that for maybe till um the end of May um mid June maybe, depending on temperatures and stuff. And I mean, dude, I was looking at her today. I checked on her and she's still \[ \_\_ \] like like midnight last night, early this morning. I checked on her. **25:06** · So, technically today, and she was like cleaning her eggs and just like she's got a whole \[ \_\_ \] ton of them, dude. A whole \[ \_\_ \] ton of them just sitting on them out in the open. Oh, I can actually send you a picture. **25:24** · Uh, should I Facebook message to you, Justin? **25:28** · Yeah, that's probably the easiest. **25:30** · Mr. Smith, I'm just wondering like as as sort of sensitive as they are to that kind of thing, uh, you know, would it be worth it to set up like a little nanny cam kind of deal where you can look with everything still covered up and sort of just check and see where where I totally could. Yeah, I totally I don't know. You think I mean you think night vision or that kind of like wavelength of light would I don't know. I'm just like dude it's not broken so I'm not fixing it. You know what I'm saying? Like I just sent it to Yeah. **26:00** · Yeah. I just like so like when I check on her it's uh it's with a red light just wrapped up. **26:13** · That's a that's a big that's a big centipede dude because that's a 20 cord enclosure. Um, it's a big centipede. **26:23** · So, um, she's on eggs. **26:26** · What are you gonna do about those when babies when babies happen? **26:30** · Yeah, I got to get the babies to happen first, dude. We're going to we're going to get the babies to happen first and then we're going to deal with it. I'm literally not even breathing in that enclosure. Like, you know what I mean? **26:42** · Like, at least with the other one I have that's bigger, she buried herself. So, like I have a little bit of like of a buffer. You know what I'm saying? **26:49** · like this one kind of just vibed out in the open just chilling like Okay. **27:07** · So hopefully I can get that to come to fruition. **27:10** · Do you have any others that are you're waiting on eggs to that you've paired? **27:16** · Yeah. **27:16** · Yeah. and my dhani, my two orange leg danis and then the third one that I gave to Mike. So, we've got three dhani cooking and then a bunch of my other dhani that I got have just molted like a bunch of centipedes molted at once. Um, I actually found I don't know here. **27:36** · I'll send you another video on the interwebs. Uh, young Justin, they found a centipede molting with Mike and uh, it was like wiggling out of its little skin. It was kind of whack. Yeah, that's mama. That's mama on them a Yeah, she's just like chilling. **28:05** · What am I looking at? That's a big centipede coiled around eggs in the video. **28:12** · Yeah, right there. You don't see that? **28:14** · You don't see that big Yeah. **28:17** · Are you color blind, brother? **28:19** · No, I'm not. I'm just I see just You don't see that centipede right there? **28:25** · I see a black thing in the middle of the screen and I feel like I'm looking at the Chinese flag. There's a centipede on eggs. Just know that. **28:39** · I'm gonna take your word for it. **28:41** · And there's that one molting, dude. **28:47** · Yeah, that's Captain Mike. He now lives with Mike. **28:51** · Mike has Mike. **28:53** · Mike has Mike. Um hopefully Mike is going to pair one or two of his yellow legs this weekend. **29:00** · Do they like bag out of it instead of going through? **29:03** · He like wiggles out of it. He just like wiggles out of it. Then he eats it. **29:07** · Oh, why does it look like covered in wax? **29:11** · Um, I'm not sure, but it's kind of kind of wonky. **29:16** · These things are weird, man. **29:19** · Yeah. Um, it could be you. **29:23** · It probably is. **29:26** · Probably. I have my Veritus. Those are cool. Don't know what I'm doing with them. I I pop in some some crickets periodically and they disappear. So yeah, you should get some Asian centipedes. **29:45** · Like what if I just sent you one, dude? **29:46** · That's all you got to do is just receive it in the mail. No, they're too big. Like the 3-in version that I have currently is plenty. I struggled with that. in the first freaking No, it's eight hours of owning them. I did listen. **30:06** · I listened a little after after after one got out. **30:11** · That was different. **30:13** · Ana's here. I'm going to I'm going to pop her in. **30:16** · Yeah, pop her in, dude. **30:17** · Hey guys. **30:19** · Hey, what's good? **30:21** · Everything I hear somebody doesn't want large centipedes. **30:24** · I don't want large centipedes, man. **30:27** · There's like seeing how fast the little ones are. Why would I want the 14inch version of that? **30:34** · I mean, at least you wouldn't lose the 14inch version. **30:37** · You underestimate my ability to lose things, dude. It's And if that if that got loose, I Yeah, that's okay. **30:49** · I'm going to save the cops some some time. **30:53** · You were the one that My wife My wife hid my body somewhere. Dude, I had one get out. **31:03** · Jesus. **31:03** · I uh I had you know those little mesh lids you get on Superior Shipping Supplies. I was like, "Oh, I'm going to get a bunch of those." Like, and what I'll do is with the little slings, like you just put a little bit, you know, we we use a tall cup. So, the size, it's enough dirt, but relative to the height of the cup, it's like not that much dirt. You know what I mean? So, I'm like, "Okay, bet." **31:28** · like I'll put this centipede in this cup that's taller than it is long and therefore there won't be an issue with a potential ceiling climbing situation because again the walls are smooth plastic. **31:45** · Well, I was maintaining I was maintenancing my centipedes and there was a perfectly circular hungry hungry caterpillar cherry headsized hole in the mesh and I just dumped the deli cup out. I was like, let's see what's good in here and there's just no sense. It's gone. So yeah, there's somewhere in the house. There's a cherry red. **32:22** · I bet you that Veritus will show up at some point. **32:26** · Yeah, I don't know where mine is. **32:27** · I'll be able to claim ignorance and be like, "Oh, I don't know. That looks like one of the ones we have here in the yard." **32:32** · It's native. Ma, don't worry. **32:34** · It is. Technically, it is. **32:38** · I don't know. I I honestly though like a big part of it too is I absolutely hate having to use tall containers because it feels so weird to have 3 in of substrate stop freaking 10. **32:50** · Why does that feel weird? It's functional. **32:53** · It's just unnatural. I don't like it. **32:55** · They're not. **32:56** · So Justin, you don't have to use tall containers. Justin, I I do. That's why I You don't have to. No, you don't. But it's for your safety. It's for your safety. You can do whatever the hell you want, man. You could keep them in bags if you wanted. I wouldn't recommend it, but you could, right? **33:12** · What kind of bag? **33:14** · You should just You should just get some bigger centipedes, right? And then you'll be like, "Whoa, these are really cool. I can feed them baby food." **33:22** · That's I told you that the other day, too. I was like, "Great. Another food item I have to now keep track of and deal with." **33:29** · You don't have to. But you don't have to do that. You can feed them. **33:32** · I'm not going to anything. **33:35** · That stuff molds in no time. **33:37** · No, dude. You put it on a little lid or in a little bowl, you know? You take a lick of it for yourself. You know what I mean? **33:43** · I'm already dealing with drugs for you, Justin. **33:45** · Already dealing with mice. I'm already dealing with crickets. Already dealing with peanut beetles. **33:50** · They'll eat all of I'm already dealing with minnows. **33:53** · Yeah. Yeah. You could feed your centipedes minnows, dude. I fed my PC lava some tilapia. **33:58** · Eat the minnows. I just now have a tank full of minnows and nothing to eat them. **34:03** · And I've actually You didn't get rhino eggs? **34:06** · No, not yet. Probably won't. But now I have tag of minnows and I actually enjoy them. And Oh, do they have names? **34:17** · No, there's too many of them. **34:18** · Oh, okay. You should name them all. **34:20** · Mike, maybe there's a couple that look like they're about to explode though with babies. **34:27** · Yeah. **34:32** · the fry prison Michelle. **34:35** · Prison Michelle. **34:38** · But yeah, I I don't know, man. The uh I just I appreciate centipedes for what they are, but they are uh those aren't my jam. **34:49** · Could be your jam. Could be your jelly. **34:51** · Kind of like retix. Like I love retix. I ain't never going to No. So that's not No, Justin. just because it's like I like that they're cool. I like a natural retake. That's a good looking snake. A lot of the morphs like that's a good looking snake. **35:06** · I don't I don't have any desire to have one, you know. **35:09** · Yeah. **35:10** · If somebody else wants to go crazy and own retix and a bunch of centipedes, I I support that decision. **35:16** · Yep. **35:17** · You got to keep those in tall containers, too. **35:22** · I just It's so weird. It's so awkward. **35:25** · Mhm. **35:26** · That they're in this giant tall enclosure and it's all empty space. **35:30** · It Justin, it's literally Okay, so wait until you go in the snake room, right? **35:35** · And you see one standing up pushing on the ceiling. **35:39** · Oh, they're under the dirt. **35:41** · Yeah, but you're not looking hard enough, brother. You're not looking at the right time. **35:45** · See them. **35:51** · Ana, do you like centipedes? **35:53** · I had one that unfortunately passed. We couldn't figure out what happened to it. Um but I I didn't pick it out. It was a gift. Um which made it even sadder when it died. Um but I think that they're pretty cool. I'm more of a millipede girly than a centipede girly because I like things that move slowly and kind of look dumb. **36:15** · The opposite of a centipede. Yeah. **36:16** · Yeah. **36:19** · And look very spicy. And I like that about them. I didn't think I was going to. Um, but seeing the way that they care for their young really changed my belief on centipedes entirely. Um, the first centipede I ever saw that I absolutely loved, it was a photo, I think it might have even been love exotics of a mint leg that was wrapped around eggs. **36:41** · That was it. I was like, "Oh, this is a better mom than like most of the animals that I like. Maybe maybe centipedes aren't all bad." Um, and then watching them eat them. **36:52** · I was gonna say it seems extremely conditional. **36:55** · Yeah, but like how many tarantulas have we had that ate their sacks? We can't blame a centipede for us. **37:00** · I've had a great rate there and I've had precisely zero. **37:03** · Yeah, I because I stole your mature male. I'm sorry, but also not sorry. **37:09** · I just got one what? Yesterday, day before. **37:12** · Was it from Mike? **37:13** · Yeah. **37:13** · Yeah. **37:14** · His second female was a mature male. **37:16** · Yeah, that's the one that he sent me. **37:17** · Yeah. Yeah, he's ready. **37:20** · Yeah, but she my was my first spider to eat their sack and I was gutted last year. **37:31** · See, I don't Maybe I'm Maybe I'm lucky too in that regard of having been disappointed because keeping and breeding condras makes you really good at being able to take kicks to the balls. **37:43** · Yeah. **37:44** · So something like that happened, I'd be like par for the course. Cool. **37:48** · Didn't expect it. **37:50** · Yeah, dude. We Mike was at my house and we were looking over my centipedes and one of my females, like the first ever centipede I got from Tom Patterson at the first ever White Plains Expo I ever went to. I paid $40 for her. She's a \[ \_\_ \] demon. And there's a huge burrow with this big hole in it and her back legs are sticking out. And I'm like, "Dude, she just molted. Let's give her some chicken or like some like large food item, you know what I mean?" **38:21** · And so I pick up the cork and she's just holding a bunch of eggs and I'm looking at her and she's just eating them. She's just eating them. I'm like, cool. **38:34** · Oh, like she didn't even try to hide. Like what the \[ \_\_ \] And then this white beard female just laying out in the open like dude. That was a test. **38:44** · What kind of What kind of \[ \_\_ \] instinct is that? Like I know like really messed up game she's playing with you. **38:50** · What the \[ \_\_ \] is that \[ \_\_ \] dude? **38:52** · Like oh you want go hide so I don't know where you are and then I can infer. Like do you know what I'm saying? **39:02** · That is how I feel about our escal um our escaladum. I paired her mid March and she laid a sack on April 20th. So yeah, I had two 420 sacks. So that's cool. Um since I don't partake in the other stuff, I had a I guess egg sack celebration. Um but our escalatum laid her egg sack on the ground. They are a hammock laying species. So typically you would see them kind of lofted. **39:32** · Um, and from my understanding, that's both as a protection from predators and from monsoon weather. However, if I like flood her, it will flood her egg sack. **39:45** · So, I almost killed it day one um because I was going to flood her since that's part of uh their breeding conditions supposedly. Uh, thank you Drits for all of that. Um, but yeah, then I saw this thing and I was like, that can't possibly be an egg sack. Sent a few photos. absolutely an egg sack in the worst place. Um, but unlike some of some of my other females, she's happily eaten twice while protecting her egg sack. **40:12** · So, she'll be in like a much better I think body condition than um say our P Victoria uh ladies who were a little bit rough post sack. **40:24** · Looks like hammered \[ \_\_ \] the Phil you said with that HMAC that she laid that sack and she was like it almost I was just handing her roaches it like she literally looks perfect just like the picture I sent you hasn't changed I'll just hand her a roach she'll take it and eat it like giving a baby a cookie like I don't even have to do anything just Yep. **40:52** · She doesn't move. **40:54** · Yeah. **40:54** · our escal like she has this like entrance to her burrow and she laid her sack right by that. So again, very questionable decision making on where to put her sack, but I'll just set a feeder on that webbing and she'll break it open, take the feeder and then web it right back up. So does it candle? Well, does it look uh good? **41:13** · It is completely on the floor against her like work. So I can see nothing. Um, I'm gonna assume that it's good because I witnessed the pairing and the insertions and she laid six weeks after. So, um, yeah, hopefully she molts right after this or double clutches since, um, yeah, he hasn't molted in a while. So, it could also be that she was just like ready to either get ready to mol or drop a sack. **41:39** · So, it was Yeah, one of the two. **41:43** · Yeah, those are a lot of fun. Are you going to keep them together for a little bit? **41:48** · I don't know. Um, I'm definitely considering pulling the mom early so then I can decide what to do with the babies altogether. **41:58** · I'm worried about trying to pull the sack because again, it's attached to so much stuff. So, pulling it early if they're like not ready, I would I would be worried. Um, I've never um like incubated an oldworld sack before. Um, Whoa, really? Yeah, I did not know that. **42:17** · Yeah. Um, we paired You should leave it with her. **42:21** · Yeah, we paid we paired Balffor last year and she laid a beautiful hammock and took care of it. And on day 55, I saw this black spot and I was very concerned because she should have ripped it open by then. Um, and she had tried to rip it open and failed that day. And then I was like, "Okay, that's this hack has got to be bad. We we're 55 days in." And so I opened it up on the lid and a bunch of baby spiders come pouring out all like eggs with legs and first instar. And I call Amy at Fang Hub in tears. I'm like, "Amy, there are spiders everywhere. What do we do?" **42:53** · And she's like, "You pick them up with your hands." And I was like, "Oh, that makes a lot of sense. Like, these are just babies. Just pick them up with your hands, dummy." And so I just dumped them back in with mom and she was really great with them. **43:05** · Yeah. Well, how did she fail? Was there something wrong with her fang or like did it just not work? Like what happened there? **43:11** · It was like she tore and it didn't tear apart. It was a very thick sack. **43:16** · Yeah, the hammock sacks are so crazy how they're woven. The the HMAC is like when I was rehousing her, it was like really fibrous material. **43:27** · Tyveck or something. **43:28** · Yeah, it was Kevlar actually. **43:32** · Yeah, they have for sure. **43:35** · So, not yet you don't. **43:37** · Not yet. I don't. I don't know. When are you pairing those? **43:41** · I don't know. That's So that's I got it and that's I asked Phil and I talked to Mike in our, you know, little chat thing. Uh, and then I asked Dritz because it was like that was the question I had was okay. Like I've heard of people receiving mails and like same day, next day, potent female, see what happens. **44:02** · You could like you could standard procedure like what do most people do? like should I just let him chill for a couple days, pop him in this weekend or something? Like I was planning to to offer him some food like you know get him sort of set and Ditz was basically like when was the sperm spermw made and so I asked Mike and Mike was like I don't know. So I was like okay cool and so then Dritz told me how to set that up um to I guess encourage it. I don't I don't know. **44:33** · So, there wasn't a sperm web in the cup he was in when I packed it. **44:38** · That I can tell you. **44:39** · Okay. **44:40** · Cuz he was not there was like very there was like I would I would document it as trace webbing. That's how what I would write. Trace webbing. **44:49** · So, less than minimal. **44:50** · Mhm. **44:52** · So, he did not make a sperm web. **44:54** · Yeah. I don't know. **44:55** · That being said, Mike didn't pair that male with his female. **44:59** · Correct. Correct. anything that happened below the like burrow, we wouldn't have known. Um, I will say that he could be loaded. I received Mike's male that he had paired with his other female and I paired him and he made a sperm web the next day. So after pairing after it. **45:20** · Yeah, cuz he'd been with Mike for a while. So I paired him and then he made another sperm web because he was empty. Um, whoa, what a guy, dude. **45:31** · Yeah, that was something that I was curious about, too. And I had brought this up. **45:35** · That's interesting with Phil and Mike was like if I took some webbing or, you know, some leaves or whatever from that female's tub and put them in with that male. Similar to how like people breed carbon pythons, like if they really want to get a male going, you take the shed of another male or, you know, female or both, put it in that setup with that male and it's going to like set him into freaking overdrive. And so I was wondering if you did something similar introducing, you know, those pherommones or whatever in with the male if that would sort of trigger some sort of response to to do something like that. **46:11** · So I don't know. I mean, on paper, I guess it makes sense. But I mean, you've got a couple of days if you're planning on pairing this weekend. **46:18** · It can't hurt to provide some of her nonsense, essentially whatever she's been using to make her trap if she's tossed any out. It can be kind of hard to grab fresh webbing from an Imira, I've noticed, because they tend to like throw out their junk, but then that stuff is like I guess kind of stale. Um, but as far as the pairings that I've done, we've done, I think, 12 or 14 pairings this year so far. **46:45** · And Ira is the only one that I dumped directly into the enclosure because I'm kind of ethically um that version because I started my first solo pairing was uh GBB. Guju and I paired uh my first GBB malfformania and he also did some like scorpion pairings and some other stuff like predating me. **47:15** · But for all of those it was kind of a like let the male habit upon the female. And for our GBB pairings now, we take kind of an even bigger step back and I release the male into a I call it the \[ \_\_ \] bin, but um it's like a bigger like bigger enclosure and we put her enclosure inside of it lid on and let him just pace for three days, for a week, for two weeks, however long it takes him to kind of get settled and start webbing around her enclosure. **47:43** · Um the particularly like good males will kind of web over the lid of the female's enclosure, too. You can just feel all of their drag line. It's everywhere. And by then, you know that the female definitely knows the male is there. And I find that my GBB females and other females like that are much more receptive that way. **48:04** · Interesting. **48:05** · And that I only find is especially important for females that tend to be a little bit chompy. **48:11** · Especially GBBS. Right. **48:13** · GBBS um Hormosis as well. So, we did pumpkin patch and Victor knee. Yeah. He uh he sent us a very like very fresh mail that still like could walk on smooth surfaces. Just an utter champ. **48:29** · And we gave him time to like find his bearings. And by the time I opened the enclosure and let him do his thing, my girl came out of the other side of her enclosure. He was like digging in something that was not an entrance. And she just stood there and watched him. **48:44** · And in every other experience that I've seen of these spiders, the female absolutely would have just jumped them for fun and eaten them. She's like waiting for him to figure out that she was behind him. **48:56** · Interesting. Just from that like prolonged uh exposure. **49:01** · That is like how I feel about it. I don't know if like how the spiders feel about it, but uh it definitely like helps me feel more prepared and I have had better results doing that. **49:12** · Okay, cool. That's very interesting. **49:16** · And it's also good to know that you could just kind of \[ \_\_ \] just put that mail in, dude. See if he uh I just I literally dumped that male into my girl's enclosure and within 30 seconds he had figured out what he was doing, even though he'd like been dumped out of a deli cup and he was tapping on her cork. Um both pairings were under five minutes from introduction to completion. So, what a guy. **49:46** · Yeah, Ira for me so far with just the three pairings, so obviously not a huge data set. It's one of those pairings that is like a feel-good pairing because after a GBB, which I might be sitting in front of two GBBs and for like 10, 15 hours. Um, I could read like three or four books in the time that it takes some GBBs to pair. But I just like dump them in and he's like, "All right, I got this." And then ready, steady, done. **50:13** · Yeah. **50:13** · And that is I guess the sort of the ethical debate of like males are they have one job and so it's like do you wait and give them some time to do their thing or do you just do what they would do naturally and show up and get their job done and he's Yeah. **50:29** · You know, yeah, put them on the front door, dude. **50:32** · I think that's mostly just going to boil down to to personal opinion on that, you know, which which way is better. And I'm sure there's going to be exceptions with certain species where maybe there's a little more uh intricacy or detail involved in in prep and stuff like that. **50:46** · So, I don't know. I just I was like, what do I do? I have him. I'll pair him, but I don't want to pair him if he's just going to get merked. Um, you know, you could protect him, too, dude. You got your paintbrush. You know, yeah, you'll probably find that, especially at for your first pairing, that putting the enclosure, the female's enclosure inside a bigger enclosure with hides in the substrate will help you because when the male is done, he's going to pop right out, right? He's going to flee the scene. **51:14** · I find it not enjoyable the idea of spiders on my floor. So, even for pairings when I'm not like leaving them to their own advices, I'll do it in a bigger enclosure. Um, which is another form of protected contact. So, it's just getting an extra barrier between spider and floor. **51:31** · Um, but all of my girls have been very sweet with the boys. Like the I find them to be such a funny species because all three of my females have done this thing where with their back, right, and left legs, their L4 and R4, they will bow their legs in and push their abdomen up so the male can't reach it. And it's like they're just they're silly little girls. And then the male will dive completely under and it looks like he's been munched. He's so far underneath. **52:01** · And then he'll pull her abdomen forward and it causes just this amazing spread because when the female's abdomen is pulled forward, her back rears up very much uh like way more than it was before. **52:14** · Mhm. **52:14** · But it isn't like a an aggression thing, right? He physically yanked her entire abdomen forward. Um and it's pretty funny to watch. **52:24** · But I'll send you those two recordings. **52:25** · They're both like two minutes. I don't know if I sent them to you already, but um as far as a first pairing goes, I could not recommend a better Old World for that other than like maybe Balffor because people just toss them together as well. **52:38** · And that seems to be sort of the general consensus from from people in TA and you and I think Dave Fischer even did a video not that long ago on parame these are fantastic. So, you know, it makes sense and I love that species. That's a, you know, they're they're cool. They're cool. **52:56** · Freaking gorgeous, dude. I like them more than poker piece. Personally, hurts my feelings. It's okay. **53:05** · I love I love their trap doors. Um, I love each poke piece, too. **53:10** · My girl is definitely gravid. And I hope she doesn't need chain again because this is the third or fourth time I've attempted to pair her. And one time she cohabed with a male for a week and then nothing. And then another time I put a male in and he was like kind of old and she just killed him. **53:29** · Yeah. **53:30** · And then I got this um most recent male from Dritz and he kind of taunted her out of her burrow onto a piece of cork, did his duty and shoved her off the cork and then she just went back into her hole and then they were done. **53:44** · Oh my god. Stud. Gangster. **53:46** · Total stud. um cracks me up is like you have those those one individuals that like are super timid and like scared to get in there and do it and then you have the ones that are \[ \_\_ \] Leroy Jenkins like running straight down into the burrow. **54:00** · Yeah. **54:01** · I'm not coming out alive but I'm going to make it worth it. Like I'm here for a good time, not a long time. **54:05** · Yeah. Yeah. Those guys Oh man. Dude, there's a fine line between bold and stupid. Okay. **54:20** · Yeah. **54:22** · Yeah. I I wish that our beamelia mature males had a little bit more of that bold slash stupid behavior. **54:29** · Tough situation. Tough situation on the brachi palma front over there. **54:33** · Absolutely. **54:34** · Um that was Yeah. Yeah. You want to go in depth a little bit about that? **54:40** · Yeah. **54:40** · Yeah, I had a mature I had a male that I purchased penultimate last year and he matured as a male. Never really had 2006. I had just bought it as an adult male and had I wish no this was just last year and um **54:55** · I didn't anticipate that either of my beamelas would molabed him for weeks and I tried flooding I tried chilling I tried heating like I tried slight amounts of mist in the evening because there was some like evening dew during their like breeding period. I got nothing. I tried them with both my females. Ditz sent another male that he said, "Listen, this guy is a hit it and quit it. He'll get in and out." **55:22** · Designated. Yeah. **55:24** · And I put him in with my female and he acted the exact same way as the other one. Didn't tap, didn't try anything. **55:32** · Um, what what does that mean? **55:34** · She's the Well, and then out of nowhere, both of my females molted. They weren't due, but they molted within like a week of one another. **55:41** · Whoa. **55:42** · So now they are still cohabed with both of those males. The males both ate in their enclosures. The females are eating. Um, and we'll see if anything happens. Um, I'll probably try the chilling and flooding again just to see if anything changes. Maybe switch the males with the opposite females to see if like a change in scenery does anything. But, um, hopefully they're just going to like get it on while I'm sleeping because they live with those females now. So, like something will happen. I feel better now that I know that they're freshly molted. **56:14** · Um because it means that we've got probably years before their next mol. **56:22** · How big if you're cohab like if you're if you're keeping them together like that, are you doing something larger so they have more space to get away from each other or is it pretty? **56:32** · They're just built in large critter keepers with like a lot of space to burrow. Um, the males won't the one of the males will not enter a female's burrow and the other one entered a female's burrow once, ran her all the way to the bottom of her burrow, and then she slapped him and he has not been back down there. **56:48** · So, um, we'll see. These two males don't have a like next spot to go to after this, so I'm hopeful. Well, I'm obviously hopeful that the males don't um get munched, but both of these girls have been very like kind almost with the males. I don't I don't have a good word for that because kind is obviously like a human word. **57:10** · Um they've been very gentle. They haven't really tolerant. Super tolerant. I mean, they both molted with males in their enclosures, so that's crazy to think about. **57:22** · They're like not concerned. **57:27** · What? Poor S, dude. **57:29** · I know. **57:30** · I have a good picture of Guju holding one of them accidentally. She just like walked onto him and she's like pretty big and this was like four years ago, but she was like getting into her new enclosure and she just decided to like walk all on him and she's like bigger than his hand at that point. Um, wow. **57:47** · So, she's molted twice, I think, since then. So, they don't malt very often. So hopefully now that we're on the right side of the mold, we will see some Amelia babies. **57:58** · I need more classy. I've got that pair because I won that male on Palm Street from Dreads and I've got that female that's I feel like by the time he's ready, she's going to be prime. Um, nice. We have a male as well. **58:14** · Just an utter whackadoodle. **58:17** · Like very weird compared to all of my other brackies. Um, I had an albeps that had about as much energy as this as this boy does. But he's just funny. Um, he's very quick to like jump, which is unlike most of my others. He doesn't really kick hairs like my bowies do, but he's just he's very quick to be like, I don't want you here. Please leave. **58:42** · Yeah, I've noticed mine are pretty pretty skittish overall. I think like a lot of stuff like once they get to a certain size to where predation is much less of an issue they seem to I think mellow out some but when they're still young man it's like good lord calm down I think this boy's probably close to 4 in um okay and he's just he's just busy he's just a little busy body whenever you're in his enclosure and he will fill in burrows and sleep sleep rest in his water dish. **59:17** · Nice. **59:17** · So, he has an emotional support water dish and a normal water dish. **59:21** · Wow, what a guy. He's like he's like so cultured, you know? **59:29** · Yeah, he's one of the only spiders I have that have one of those uh like Petco ceramic water dishes and that's the one that he uses for resting in and sitting in. **59:41** · his little throne. **59:42** · Little chair. **59:43** · His porcelain. His porcelain throne for sure. **59:48** · You should get him some 3D printed toys. **59:51** · Yeah, he might he might use a ping pong ball. I'll see if any of my spiders would like do silly things with a ping- pong paw. It would be him or um my RCF Ros who rolls her water dish on its side from one side to the other of her enclosure. **1:00:08** · Why do they do that? **1:00:10** · Um, I can't say. I think that there's something to be said for like practice behaviors. Um, the way that they carry Sometimes they'll carry them and it almost looks like they're carrying a sack, which is very cute. Um, but also they're just like moving stuff. They're little excavators and they're going to move it however they can. **1:00:30** · Interesting. **1:00:31** · Yeah. Um, but yeah, that my RCF is a rescue from somebody that said she didn't have enough time to hold her spider every day anymore. **1:00:42** · Yeah, me too. **1:00:44** · Yeah. **1:00:45** · And that spider, she held that rosé every single day. And I have checked out her kind of behavior with a paintbrush to her back leg just to see. and she has never seemed like she would be very interested in being handled by me, which is totally fine cuz I don't typically hold my spiders. But for her in particular, I wanted to see because like what if there was something to it, this woman who's held her spider every day. **1:01:10** · But I think it also may have been that she was trying to get out of the enclosure that she was in, which had a lot of like, you know, dead crickets, uh, cocoa fiber, the the kind of standard 1990s keeping experience. This woman like loved her spider so much though and I feel super lucky that like TA and we were able to take her in. Her name is Frankie and she is just a stunning G. **1:01:36** · Rosé. **1:01:38** · I have one. I took it to um there's a Harry Potter themed thing they do every fall down in SavAnah in Georgia that I go to and help a buddy with because he brings a bunch of reptiles and stuff and I brought my my rose hair last year. Um, and she was she was pretty chill. Like it's funny cuz the year prior I got a curly hair, an adult, and like I wouldn't have same thing. Like you go anywhere near that thing with any object. Doesn't matter if it's a if it's food or not. Like she was whipping around and grabbing it and taking it. **1:02:08** · So I was like, I got it to do educational stuff when we did this. And I was like, I'm not bringing this \[ \_\_ \] thing, dude. Not kids aren't getting near this bastard. like this thing's nuts. But then I got that that rose hair from the same friend that I do that with and I was like I held her at home a little bit just to kind of you know test the waters a little bit and I was like okay she's cool. So she me a little bit that day but other than that you know it was u itchy. Yeah a little bit. **1:02:42** · You uh not as itchy as I've been the last I was gonna say what happened recently Justin. What happened recently? I got sturied. **1:02:50** · You got sturied? **1:02:51** · I got sturied. **1:02:53** · Yeah. How'd that go? **1:02:54** · The weirdest place. So like on my palm all up in here and then on this finger like in between these two fingers somehow. I don't I like right in in here and in here. **1:03:12** · Yeah, I'll stick with the only two spots. And like it's not even from it's literally from just taking the tub off the shelf to feed. **1:03:20** · That's so scary. Imagine if it's haired you directly. Imagine if it actually tried to kick hairs at you and got into your mucous membranes. Oh my good god. **1:03:31** · So he would like if I took the tub down and set it down, he would kick pretty much initially and I'm like, "Okay, cool." Like I know he's going to do it just to kind of get it out of the way. **1:03:39** · But the problem is is like when I open that tub, I feel like they're still kind of floating around, so they get on the latches and stuff. And so when I went and grabbed it, it's covered in hair. **1:03:47** · And so I pull it. So I still love those things though, dude. I don't care. It's It's irritating, but it's really not like to the point where I'm like Phil where I'm like, I'm just not going to keep those. Like it's not going to stop me, you know? I'm just I got a box of gloves now that I brought from work that when I got disturb me and I he needs to get rehoused into something bigger anyways. That's That's not such a pain in the ass to open and cause them to kick so much. Um cuz my hypothesis is in like a 10gon I've got one of those glass fish tank lids that I can open and close without freaking it out, freaking him out. **1:04:20** · The latch tub is a little different because it's like, you know, a lot of vibrations banging around, all that stuff. So, yeah, like you probably will find that they kick less with more space. Yeah, I've noticed that with the Apothesis for sure. Like now that I mean he's been set up in that in that tank now for probably going on a year and he he doesn't kick hardly at all. Um that ST he's a unit, dude. **1:04:47** · He is I love that thing, dude. **1:04:49** · He's a freaking boss. Oh my god. **1:04:52** · I want more. I don't know that I want a lot more just because of the amount of space they'd be taking up in comparison to like, you know, the Gabinensis. Um Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, this is like this is irritating, but it's not to the point to where I'm like, I'm never keeping these things again. Like, it's just it's annoying at best. I don't Do I want to like give them butterfly kisses? **1:05:13** · No. But I maybe I just got to get really really hit hard by him to to get the message across that I need to be like Phil and not have these. But I don't I don't know. **1:05:24** · I wouldn't wish that on you, dude. Did you see the picture of Corey Brocken? **1:05:28** · Yeah. **1:05:28** · When he got it in his his goddamn eye. Well, like just how much these have lingered again. Like that would suck. **1:05:38** · Dude, it's it's for real, man. Those hairs are No, they're spear. They're like little spears. They're like little micro hooks. **1:05:46** · I was curious and Ana might be able to chime in, but like if you took like a diluted solution of nare, you think maybe that would I don't know, but I would say that like I would read the directions on it to know if like cuz the hair is like tarantula hairs are piercing you where you wouldn't have a hair follicle. So I'm not sure like if it's open enough that you would be getting air into your body versus M like maybe it would be worth it, but I would be scared. **1:06:18** · Um but I'm scared of nar in general because that's that seems weird that it dissolves your hair and not the rest of you. Um yeah. **1:06:28** · Uh yeah. **1:06:29** · So that's that. I mean I know that like it's a standard use for humans. Um but you'd have to be willing to try and depending on how long ago you got haired like that is like fully encased in Yeah. little little blisters and stuff formed over everything. And you know, I will say that I kept a sturi. We got a rescue steri. Um it was in this like 2 and a half gallon aquarium with no substrate, no water. **1:06:56** · Oh jeez. **1:06:57** · Completely dry, seven legs, just this horrendous like disaster. Um and I received him from my petsitter who had organized the rescue. wonderful pets that are at my old place and I was still at Guju and the guy was like, um, he looks he's in this enclosure. It doesn't have any latches. And I was like, can you just put whatever heavy thing you can find and put it on top of that heavy book, piece of cork, a rock, whatever. **1:07:24** · I don't want a stur walking around my house and dump like 16 ounces of water in there. So, by the time I got back, he was looking like a little bit better. He molted twice with us before he matured out. And I never got hired. And he was in one of those latch bins um for a while. He was it was like his quarantine setup because I wanted something that would hold humidity very well. **1:07:49** · But after he molted once, he was gigantic. And that uh 20 court thing was laughably small. **1:07:56** · Dude, that sturi isn't even that big. Um and like that and the apothesis, I just open those tanks and just look at them like these are the closest thing to dinosaurs that we're going to get with a spider. Like it's just such a freaking impressive animal. And like I've said before, like I've never I never really got the hype on theaposa in general cuz I was like, "Okay, yeah, they're big and they're giant. They're brown. Like big whoop." **1:08:19** · But then I got that hypothesis and started raising it and I was like I was sold pretty quickly. I was like, "Okay, the like now I get it. Now it makes sense. Like these things are freaking awesome and they only get bigger and bigger and I love them. I hair or not, I don't care. You know, I just they're fun to dude. We had to pair them. When we were pairing them, we did it in a 41Q tub. It was like we were like supervising Chihuahua. They were so big. **1:08:49** · Beyblades. **1:08:51** · Yeah, dude. It was like we were playing with Beyblades with our friends. **1:08:54** · Are you old enough to remember Beyblades? **1:08:56** · Yes, Justin. Yes, I had Beyblades as a kid. **1:08:59** · I had a whole like tackle box full of Beyblades, dude. **1:09:01** · Yeah, dude. Me, too, dude. What the heck? I'm not that I'm not that young. I'm not I'm not 12. **1:09:07** · Me and Michael talk about like music and movies and Phil's like I was like six when that came out and I'm like Jesus. **1:09:12** · Well, yeah, because you guys are, you know, a little bit older than I am, but you know, I'm not, you know, that back in my day. **1:09:23** · Back in my day, I remember. **1:09:26** · Um, do we want to get into like ICU stuff or we want to get into TA? **1:09:30** · Yeah. Yeah, dude. Hit No. No. talk about the um the Akaya advisory. Uh I really would like to hear about that. **1:09:38** · It's in the same vein as like what we were just discussing with that rescue stermy. Um I would agree. **1:09:45** · So the the the backstory is is set the scene, Justin. Set it last last week. **1:09:51** · Set it. **1:09:52** · I walked into the room that morning to turn on the lights and stuff because I don't have automatic \[ \_\_ \] I turn it all on by hand. **1:10:00** · Wait, wait, hold on. What? You don't have timers in your room? **1:10:04** · I have timers in my room. **1:10:07** · What the hell kind of life do you live? **1:10:09** · I have smart plugs. I could I could turn everything on and off from my phone. **1:10:13** · A bad thing by having to do it myself. That forces me to look at what's going on around the plug and what's going on in the cages. **1:10:24** · I don't just be like, "Oh, the lights will kick on. It's all good." And not have to set foot in my room for no an indefinite period of time. I got to go in there and turn everything on, which means I got to I gota go I got to go in there and clean Kreo \[ \_\_ \] every day. I need the lights to turn on when they turn on. How do you How do you cycle light? How do you light cycle animals? **1:10:43** · Um I go in and turn them on and then I turn them off at night before I go to bed. **1:10:50** · Dude, you're fried. That's cooked. **1:10:54** · It is what it is. Maybe I'm just a pilgrim. I don't know. **1:10:58** · Yeah, Justin, man. All right, we'll continue. **1:11:01** · Uh, so I walked in and I like looked up because the Akaya are at least the two females are on top of a cage next to the sturi and the female metallica and a female regalis. And I saw I thought it was a molt at first cuz it was just like a leg, but I'm like that's not a mol. So I pulled it down and that female Aaya was like in the corner nearing like full death curl done. like motion was really limited. I was like, "Shit, something's wrong." Uh, so do I. **1:11:34** · I did what what I just remember reading on Arachnobboards. **1:11:39** · He called 911. **1:11:41** · Called 911. Uh, I I took her out and I set her up in an in an ICU. So, I got a deli with a, you know, not lightly damp but not soaking wet paper towel and I set her in that. And I like I had to go to work cuz I had to drop the kid off at school and stuff. So, I I sat her on the table in that and then went home or went to work, came home thinking that she was going to be toast cuz I was like, there's no way she's she's bouncing back cuz she looked bad like pretty rough. I sent a picture of moving. Yeah. Put up no fight putting her in the container. **1:12:11** · Like I was like, she's I fully expected that spider to be done. **1:12:16** · She should be trying to kill you. Yeah. **1:12:18** · Right. **1:12:18** · Right. Um in pure Bingo Kylo fashion. uh got home and she was actually looking pretty good. Um like much more reactive, you know, if I touched the container, like there was a reflex. Um some movement, not a ton. She wasn't like doing circles or anything, but she was definitely in a much better spot than she was that morning. **1:12:41** · So, I sent uh pictures to Guju and I think he forwarded them to Ana and I was like, I just put an ICU together because I thought that's what people did. I thought that was still like standard procedure. And Juju was like, not really. And so, I asked him to elaborate on why. Um, and then Ana chimed in as well. Um, but that female got her watered. I put a water dish in there with her. **1:13:10** · She started drinking from that pretty much immediately because I put her right next to it. Put some pre-killed food in there. Um that slowly kind of disappeared. She eventually went back into her burrow. And she's perfectly fine now. She's 100% back to normal. Um I still need to do a substrate change because I think a big part of the issue was the substrate I was using in that setup. **1:13:31** · um once it dries out like it's it almost turns into like not necessarily hydrophobic but like almost takes on the shape of what you're keeping in it and like it doesn't rehydrate simply like it doesn't fully absorb all the way into it. Um it just it it wasn't it was zapping all the moisture out of there. **1:13:54** · Um, so Ana sent some stuff to change in the setup, which now that she's sort of back on the up and up, I'll do. Cuz that was another thing. I was like, should I go ahead and change all this stuff up now? Like, she's already stressed. I don't want to put her back in there. And then her be like, everything's all jacked up. **1:14:13** · Where'd my burrow go? I'm just going to die. Um, I wanted to make sure that she was like back on the up and up before I started uprooting everything and rearranging stuff. Um, so I was like, I'll give her a few days to to readjust and and get back to normal. And, uh, I am going to do a full substrate change, make some adjustments that Ana mentioned. So, I'm going to I'm going to do some deeper substrate slope towards the back. Um, change up the the cork hide and how that's set up. **1:14:40** · Um, because I I gave them nice cork rounds and stuff and then turns out they just don't give a \[ \_\_ \] about them and don't use them. They decided to burrow under them and behind them, not actually in them. Um, so I need to make some adjustments there. **1:14:55** · But, um, I don't know. I mean, the for whatever reason, the ICU, I guess, kept her going at least for a couple hours until I could get there and and get her fully set straight with some some water. Um, but do you want to Yeah. **1:15:11** · Absolutely. **1:15:11** · Um, so we think that the kind of ICU myth starts that uh with that a wet environment is meant to like immediately help with dehydration. **1:15:22** · Um, but unfortunately one spiders aren't absorbing like a lot of water from their hydrophobic outsides. Their exoskeleton is not taking in that water. And a water log paper towel is actually covering their book lungs as well. So you're adding like additional risk, right? So if a spider can't lift its body, it's just resting on wet sping paper towel and covering its own lungs. **1:15:45** · So you're adding like additional concern there. **1:15:50** · Yeah. **1:15:51** · And also they need to intake that water directly via their mouth parts. **1:15:56** · And if you have the option between a sping wet paper towel or soaking wet dirt or a water dish, a spider and imagine a spider's mouth parts and their kind of trachea is like a straw. If you were to stick a straw in dirt and suck try try to suck water out of it, you're going to get like not a lot of water. **1:16:12** · Same situation with a paper towel. But if you stick a straw into a cup of water, you're able to get a lot more hydration very quickly. And the same is going to be true for a spider, which is one of the reasons also that we really say that water dishes are are not just a nice to have. They should be in pretty much every single spider enclosure because while a spider can suck water out of dirt, like maybe we don't want to make them do that. **1:16:33** · Um, unless the spider is like impacted by something directly in the enclosure, like let's say there's mold or contaminants or like gross feeders, um, or if they have like a fall or an injury, you typically want to leave them inside their environment. **1:16:50** · Same way that you noted that you didn't really want to change things up when your spider was struggling, removing them from their home can be a very similar stressor. Um, if there is kind of contaminant injury, some kind of growth or spider disability, we would probably intervene and make some like specialized hospital setup. But typically at that point, we're still using like substrate in a water dish versus wet paper towel. Um, we have put spiders with injuries directly on dry paper towel, similar to a quarantine tank for a snake. **1:17:20** · Um, you might use paper towel so you can see like is this spider leaking hemolymph. Mhm. **1:17:25** · I'll see that much better on paper towel than I would on dry substrate. **1:17:30** · Um, so like ICUs are kind of a few things happening in once. It has aided with spiders, right? Like you saw your spider do a little bit better in the ICU. **1:17:40** · Mhm. **1:17:41** · We didn't take into account like all the other risk factors by like putting something in 99% hydration when they probably didn't need all of that. Um, but it has worked and some some ciders still die in those ICUs, right? And we just say, "Oh, well, they were going to die anyway." But if we had put all of those spiders from those ICUs into hospital tanks or left them in their enclosure, if the enclosure was suitable with a water dish, we may have seen a higher percentage of those spiders recover. Um, so it was interesting. **1:18:16** · I put that water bowl in there and she and I put it, you know, right next to her, kind of buried it a little bit so it wasn't sitting high or above her. And I mean, she went straight to it. **1:18:25** · Yeah. **1:18:26** · And she was just she was drinking out of that thing straight for a handful of minutes. Um, so I think she was just the big thing was just serious dehydration because that tank had just gotten too dry. Um, the soil was still damp sort of in the center, but um, I think because I mean spiders like they they they operate on like a hydraulics type system. If they're dehydrated, they can't they can't move like they, you know, they sort of seize up and they're beef. **1:18:57** · Yeah. **1:18:59** · Yeah. **1:18:59** · Absolutely. Um, so we do see a pretty like a much higher success rate with the water dish. And um, an interesting thing is that I would say that we receive more cases about avocy than any other like species. **1:19:18** · And I think that it comes from like it's often from poor husbandry, right? So when we see a that are kept in tanks with stagnant wet air, which is like tends to happen stopping substrate, people think, "Oh, this spider came from a very humid environment. I need to make their tank really humid." And then we see an attic that starts to fade. They stop eating. They stop drinking. They get dehydrated in a tank that's wet. **1:19:40** · So it's it's wild to see. So we have that same thing like we have to take the AVIC, put it in something dry, give it a water dish. Um whereas if we put them in an ICU and did the exact opposite thing of what they need, like we can easily kill addicts. Um and with your flamingo kyus, I would think that while an ICU isn't the the right strat, it's not a strat that was as inherently dangerous as it would be for maybe an AVIC, which that like wet stagnant air is an absolute killer for AVIC. **1:20:10** · So, your mileage may vary with how successful an ICU is, but safety-wise there are better answers. Um, which you found I think too it's a matter of of just getting lucky that I I saw her when I did and did what I you know that could be the majority of the factor there. **1:20:29** · Like yeah, you know, I'm not going to say that the the ICU was the the make or break thing, but um hydration was Yeah. Yeah, got lucky cuz I was like a couple days before I saw her and she was out and she looked fine. I mean, she just she needed some food, but that was about it. And so then when I saw her sort of curled up in the corner, I was like, "What the fuck?" **1:20:51** · And I'm attached to my my Aaya especially because I I love those things. And so I was like really irritated and I'm like, "Why are what? **1:20:58** · You were fine. Like what are you doing? **1:21:00** · Stop dying. Don't do that." **1:21:03** · And she did. She stopped. **1:21:05** · She did. And immediately like I after she had had some water and was drinking and stuff like I went in there to move the bowl closer to the burrow entrance and she immediately like threw her things. I was like, "Oh, you're fine." I was like, "You're back to normal. You're good." Like immediately throwing up threat poses and stuff, you know? I was like, "Jesus, you're fine." She was faking the whole time. That's what it was. She was just What is a What does your typical hospital tank uh hospital setup look like? Um, I would say that we have kind of like two options whether we have substrate or paper towel. **1:21:36** · And it kind of depends on the situation. For something that's injurious, typically I would go paper towel. Um, and that's going to be some kind of Tupperware with good ventilation, that dry paper towel, a water dish, and a small hide. Whether that's a calf cork round or like a little plastic, one of those black snake hides, something where they can get away from the light because leaving them completely exposed when they're already struggling is adding another like pretty big stressor that we don't need to do. **1:22:03** · Um, I would say that as typical with spider hides, like don't do something that you can't lift up over the spider. So, don't put like a whole cork round in there because then when you need to check on the spider, you have to like poke them out of the hide and that's that's not ideal. Um but yeah, that would be common if we had something like a fungal issue or some kind of injury to a spider whether like sometimes for a lost leg that um they didn't selfmize correctly like those will continue to leak because they didn't uh seal it correctly. **1:22:34** · So you would have to close it yourself. **1:22:40** · I remember we talked about that when my Balffor kicked her leg. Um, she she just molted uh what is it? Thursday. She probably molted on like Monday night, Tuesday morning. I you can almost tell almost not tell that she lost a leg almost. It's like so cool. Just in one just in one mold. Like she wasn't that big. You know what I mean? **1:23:07** · Yeah. So, she's got like a little skinny postmol leg. But I believe what had happened was she had her leg like in a vent hole. **1:23:14** · It caught. Yeah. It got caught. **1:23:15** · Got a little bit spooked and she ran and her leg popped right off and like made a sound. **1:23:21** · Yes. Yes. Cuz I was like, "Yo, what the fuck?" Yeah, dude. I remember that. Yep. Yep. But now she looks like uh basically back to normal. **1:23:33** · Yeah. Yeah. Almost. **1:23:36** · She actually looks like a gummy bear. Super soft and blue and squishy. So, she's she's hardening up. **1:23:43** · Wish I saw mine more. **1:23:48** · How big is it? **1:23:50** · The first one that I got from Phil is probably two and a half inches, three inches. **1:24:00** · Not an adult, not a baby. It's getting not a girl. Not quite yet. A woman, you know, Justin, I see my girls a lot, but I think that's cuz they're both paired. So, one of my girls is like out uh perched on the top of her highest piece of cork and she's just been sitting there. I'm really hoping she doesn't like lay her sack against the ceiling. **1:24:29** · That would be very unpleasant for me because I have her right now I have her like non baby lid on. I have a lid with very small holes, a ton of them for when she has babies. And then I have her current lid which is I want to say that they're like bigger than an eighth, maybe small. **1:24:48** · Maybe they're three a quarter or 38 inch holes to get her lots of ventilation. Um because they do experience a monsoon season. So, I don't want to have so few holes that the water can't evaporate cuz I don't want her living in a swamp. **1:25:04** · Mhm. **1:25:05** · But the babies would absolutely walk right out of that those holes. **1:25:09** · She needs like baby lid for when they show up. **1:25:14** · They have that issue with the HMAX. **1:25:17** · Um, since we're talking about Sorry, go ahead. Well, I just put the I put her enclosure in a bigger tub with a bunch of moss around it and the babes just hid they just hid in the moss. It was so easy. It was so easy getting them out. **1:25:33** · So, they just walked out, right? **1:25:34** · Yeah. **1:25:34** · They just walked out and then were in the big tub in the moss. That's what Dritz told me to do and I did it and it worked out great. Hm. **1:25:43** · I would rather that not be my experience, but I have cats, so I like have a fear of like fear for my cats, especially um especially with old worlds. So that's why like with the escal sack, we're not letting them I won't have an escal on my wall. That's just not in the cards. Um yeah, but yeah, like we pull most of our sacks for that reason. I just it's not really worth the risk to me for the other animals in my home. **1:26:11** · Um, and I fear that it is a right of passage for many people who have breeding projects that they end up with baby spiders on their walls because most of the people that I've met have a story. Dritz's most recent um, mass exodus of the pecami. **1:26:31** · Oh yeah, that was Well, Smitters Smitters had one of those too, man. **1:26:35** · those pecams there. **1:26:36** · Dude, because that one Yeah, dude. **1:26:38** · roamed. **1:26:40** · Did it How did it get out? **1:26:42** · Well, Justin Justin is a big man in a small room with less than average eyesight. And there may or may not have been a small Cambridge eye that was quick that may or may not have been sent to Justin by myself in a box that Justin may or may not have been trying to rehouse quickly without a bigger tub potentially. **1:27:05** · This notes version is it jumped off the table and onto the floor and I didn't know to see which direction it went and so it was gone for 24 hours but then I saw homie chilling on the ceiling and caught him again. **1:27:15** · Oh, look at you. You caught him. **1:27:17** · He went straight to the hole. Straight to the solit straight to solitary. **1:27:22** · Straight to jail. **1:27:24** · I was like, "Look at that little \[ \_\_ \] staring at me." **1:27:28** · Yeah, dude. He was just in the ceiling. **1:27:30** · He's just hanging out right there. **1:27:32** · And fortunately, like I'm tall enough to touch the ceilings in my room like with really no effort. So I was like, "Yeah, same. **1:27:38** · Easy, easy. **1:27:40** · I can't reach my ceilings. I don't maybe I can reach them on a step stool, but at that point if I'm like two or three steps up on a step stool and I'm trying to grab a spider off the ceiling, I don't think that that ends well for me or the spider. Um, so for rehousings like that, I actually use the bag method with both containers in like a gallon ziplockc bag and I just coax the spider right in. I did that with a like nearly 4 inch tappy the other day, too. **1:28:08** · He went into like one of those big ziplockc bags for like sweatshirts that have the like vacuum part so you can seal it in. **1:28:16** · Um, and I put his entire enclosure in there and popped him into a vial. Um, which was helpful because it was one of those enclosures that has the rubber band uh like enclosure. It's like together. **1:28:28** · Yeah. **1:28:28** · and I didn't know how to open it. **1:28:30** · And then I didn't know how to take it apart because this was a collection sale um from a community member that is like cutting their collection in half um because they are expecting a two-legged family member very soon. And so they didn't have the time for all these spiders. So I drove to them, picked up half their spiders, and I've been shipping them to the people who have bought them. But that tappy gave me the runaround the first time I tried to ship him. **1:28:59** · I could not get him out of the enclosure because it was just such a weird shape. So over the course of like three weeks, I was just like taking his decor away one piece at a time. So he was just in there with his water dish and a piece of cork. And finally I got him out. Um, but the bag method turned what would have been probably a halfhour session of me trying to get him out and maybe chasing him around my room into this like 3 minute thing that was very like stressfree for me. The spider walked right into the vial. **1:29:26** · It wasn't like a whole ordeal for the spider either, which I think is one of that like unsung like praises for uh protected contact that can be much less stressful for a spider than kind of running them out of their enclosure trying to catch them in a bathtub. Um yeah, even the bathtub is a type of protected contact. So I feel like a lot of people are using like protected contact methods and they don't even know. **1:29:53** · Well, you use the same for shipping too, right? Like you've mentioned using that because that's that was my big question. **1:29:59** · Like I got to send this male cordatus to ditz and I'm like how the how the hell do you get this thing in a in a vial? Like it's a decent sized spider going into a smallish vial like how the how do you do it? Like how do you get it to go where you need it to go in a vial lined with stuff? You know, it's And so when you mentioned the bad thing, I was like, "Well, that makes complete sense." And that also makes it so much easier. **1:30:28** · Absolutely. **1:30:28** · You're going to be a bad guy now, Justin. That should be you, dude. **1:30:32** · I need to send that mail before he kicks the the bucket, dude. **1:30:35** · Yeah, man. Get to it. Get your act together, brother. **1:30:38** · Because I'm sending him that hapalopus, too. **1:30:41** · He said he wants it. So, halalopus like a pumpkin patch. **1:30:45** · Yeah. **1:30:45** · Species Colombia or something. Oh, pairing those is fun. Uh, the first time I tried, he got eaten and then she molted out. And then this last time I cohabbed them. So, I did the kind of same \[ \_\_ \] bin situation. She was very good with him for a long time. And then they spent three days kind of chasing each other around the enclosure, like one of them chasing the other and then the other one chasing. And after like three days, she just went back into her hide. And I was like, "Okay, you're done. She looks like a tick." **1:31:17** · Um, so I'm hopeful. It's been about six weeks, so hopefully in the next month or two, we have 10 bajillion poppy seeds. **1:31:29** · What would you What are you feeding those peanut beetle larve? **1:31:33** · I They'd have to be real small peanut beetle larvae. Um, what's your go-to then in that in that? **1:31:40** · Maybe even springtails. **1:31:41** · Oh, really? Oh, wow. **1:31:42** · Depends on how small they are. So like a baby sea elegance would get like a springtail. I have never seen a second instar um pumpkin patch cuz when I got my girl she was like small but not that small. And she ate I think she ate baby meal worms. **1:32:02** · Oh, she be larvae. That's what she ate. **1:32:05** · Those have been great. **1:32:07** · So tiny. **1:32:09** · Yeah. **1:32:09** · Um but si similar to peanut beetle larvae. um confused flower beetle larvae just a similar beetle that eats a different thing. Um I'm sure that you could grow peanut beetles on flour. Uh I think that's what I have is the confus I don't I don't even know. I just know they're they're teeny tiny. I keep them the same way I keep meal worms and they are they in peanuts or are they in flour? **1:32:32** · Flour. **1:32:34** · Oh yeah. Then you probably have like rice flour beetles. Uh Josh's Frog sells them at you you can get them at like lots of expos. Um, I got mine from Guju like four years and change ago. It was like one of the first things he ever sent me along with rubber ducky isopods. **1:32:50** · Um, and Whoa. **1:32:53** · Yeah, I almost killed my culture twice. **1:32:56** · Uh, because at my old place um it was a little too humid and I got grain mites and I freaked out. **1:33:05** · Yes. **1:33:05** · And then I went absolutely postal about it. And so I picked out a few uh beetles and a few little worms, tossed everything else, and started from like nothing. And then like six months later, same thing happened. Yeah. And so I did the same the humidity. **1:33:28** · Yeah. Well, in some places you can keep them in containers without real ventilation. **1:33:34** · Oh, okay. **1:33:36** · my it was not that case with me and somehow that didn't work. Now I keep mine in like 16 oz delies with the fruitfly lids so it lets air in and out. Um and I've had pretty good luck there with them. Um I don't even have a lid on mine. Mine's just an open fat container my shelf. **1:33:57** · Yeah, Justin, that is so reckless. **1:34:01** · What if you bump into that and it spills? **1:34:03** · I haven't yet. **1:34:06** · It's under like my table, so it's like it can't really get knocked if I'm if for it to get taken off that shelf and fall. Like I have to like have a stroke as I'm grabbing it off the shelf or something. I It's not It can't be knocked off easily. Uh I almost knocked my main peanut beetle culture off which is also lidless. So I am also uh operating living dangerously. **1:34:31** · I am living dangerously. Uh, but typically it's like in a little cubby so it can't get knocked over. But I had the great idea to like use peanut beetle larvae for my P victories and I didn't feel like using one of the setups that I made for this specific reason. Instead, I grabbed the master culture and um used them and bumped into them while I was cleaning and I was like, "All right, I've had about enough of these peanut beetle larvae. It's not their fault. I just can't be trusted." Um, yeah. Yeah. **1:34:58** · So, we're on red runners right now. **1:35:02** · Yes. **1:35:03** · Yes. I Okay, so Dritz Dritz told me he's like, "Dude, for feeding these HMAC, put all the nymphs in a toothpick." **1:35:14** · Um Mhm. **1:35:15** · in one of the little toothpick type deals, dude. This thing here. **1:35:21** · Oh, this thing is ill. Game changer, man. cuz I had 203 sons of \[ \_\_ \] that I had to feed and I was just sprinkling cheese. I was just sprinkling the littleoop. Oh, it was so helpful, dude, with those little redr runner nymphs. **1:35:42** · Yeah, I should have done something like that. I was using um baby black soldierfly larvae, which tends to be because they are slower. And again, I like it when something moves slow. Uh, I mean that's probably smart. The runners can be a pain. **1:35:58** · They can be. And um, my experience with black soldierfly larvae is that I've never seen one in my collection kill a sling. And I have seen a redr runner kill a sling. **1:36:09** · Whoa. Really? I didn't know that was uh a thing. **1:36:13** · Yeah, I put in a Redr runner and I had partially crushed it. Um, but I didn't crush it enough and it still um killed a skeleton like sling. **1:36:28** · Yeah. So, like not even like a baby like sling that you would expect to Yeah. **1:36:34** · like peel over and die. It was like a sling that was like pretty fast. You would expect like oh that sling can take care of it and it didn't. **1:36:40** · Um I'm disappointed in that ephopus. **1:36:44** · I was disappointed in myself more than anything because it wasn't even my sling. I killed things. **1:36:49** · Oh man. **1:36:49** · And I was newer to the hobby then and like didn't know better. I should have known better. Um I was still kind of baby in my keeping and baby in my advising. So I didn't even think anything of it. Um now I do. Same thing. **1:37:04** · So do you pre-kill? Do you pre-kill everything? **1:37:07** · I don't pre-kill everything, but if I'm damaging like if I'm um damaging like a feeder, I aim for the head and just like crush a little bit. **1:37:15** · Yeah. Yeah. You're Kelly. You're shooting a main. Yeah. **1:37:19** · I just I don't want to risk the mandibles of the feeder doing damage to my sling, especially when I have things that are particularly delicate. **1:37:28** · Um like some of my second instar victory just are a little bit wonky. I call them team scratch and dent and those are all my holdbacks. I keep every single one that doesn't malt out perfectly. Um, and so for those like you don't know how well it's going to hunt. You don't know if it will hunt or if it has decided that its injuries are too severe or its disability is too severe that it won't hunt. So you have to find creative solutions. Um, all team ate redr runners. **1:37:59** · So that was great. **1:38:02** · Like baby food. **1:38:04** · I don't know how I would do that without like molding in such a tiny enclosure. But like I have to wonder if you could do mash for um like slings. I bet you could. **1:38:16** · They probably love it. **1:38:18** · That's super damaged or Have you tried it yet? **1:38:21** · Mash? **1:38:22** · Yeah. Like have you tried to like like just I don't know. You just take a little I don't have any centipedes or something. **1:38:30** · Yeah. **1:38:30** · But you didn't go out and get baby food just to try it now that we've been talking about it for some. Oh, I did take that picture of all of the meat options for that Berber baby food to compare nutrition, but I didn't buy any. I guess like that was my bad. I'll have to go get I'll I'll give you the the results. We'll rank them all. One to 10. **1:38:47** · Yeah, we'll do like a blind taste test of all the different kinds of Dude, if my parents me that as a baby, I'm I'm pressing charges. **1:38:55** · Dude, it's gnarly. Like, I open it for the centipedes and I'm like, it's like terrible. Oh man, it's \[ \_\_ \] it's pink and \[ \_\_ \] It literally looks like amoxicylin. **1:39:12** · Yikes. **1:39:15** · Yeah. And like the beef one is like extra pink. **1:39:18** · Yeah, it's wicked unnatural. It's a wicked unnatural. And then you mix in like the uh Yeah, it's great for snakes like Jack Vicente who runs aggrotoxins and does coral snakes and stuff like that's what he feeds all his corals. He tube feeds them like a a mix of baby food and some other stuff. Yeah, cuz it's like complete it's like a complete diet. It's got everything in it that they would that they would need. **1:39:45** · Coral snakes are ofopagus H uh Ana. **1:39:47** · They won't eat uh non-snake feeders. They'll only eat snakes. **1:39:55** · Does that mean How do they eat when they're babies? **1:39:59** · They're eating necks or something. **1:40:00** · Tiny tiny ringnecks. Tiny tantillasaria. **1:40:03** · Yeah. **1:40:05** · Yeah. **1:40:05** · Probably tiny um at that size. I'm sure they're they're also eating like worms. **1:40:14** · Maybe some worms. Like there's no I've seen if you've never seen a baby eastern coral snake they are cocktail straws. **1:40:21** · I've never I mean dude I don't know anything like yeah I'm just a fill like so I don't they are so tiny I don't know how they survive dude like probably most of them don't right. **1:40:31** · Well they have pretty small clutches to begin with. **1:40:33** · Oh no really really are they born from eggs or live eggs? Oh yeah small clutches. It's not a lot. **1:40:42** · They're not big snakes. How big? How big are we talking? **1:40:47** · I feel like if you find a threefoot coral, like that's a serious Oh, really? **1:40:52** · Yeah. **1:40:52** · Wow. Okay. Okay. That's pretty slender. **1:40:59** · We have a milknake named Carl because he looks like a coral snake. Um he's a Petco rescue that I saw when I was looking for feeders. um because I was having a lazy day. So, I went in to get some superworms and he was like three times the size of like any milknake I'd ever seen there. Um probably a return. **1:41:20** · And the animal care lead told me that he bit people and that he probably would only ever eat live. And I was like, I got to have that snake. It's got to be I want that one. Yeah, that that messed up my money. Um, so I brought him home and this precious angel eats off of plates frozen thod and if you look at him, he will hide. I have only What a vicious beast. **1:41:47** · Yeah, I've never handled him. Um, I have I dumped him out of his cardboard box from Petco because they send them home in these like little out containers. **1:41:57** · Yeah. **1:41:57** · Um, and when I moved, I hooked him out and it was a very sad experience for both of us because I'd never forced him to do anything, but the movers were terrified of snakes and spiders. So, I had to like make sure that all the snakes were into my car before the movers came in. Um, and he was fine. He's he's chilling. **1:42:17** · But, um, for a snake that I got out of a pretty bad situation and kind of decided I would never force him to do anything, that was like the only time. My fire skink was very much the same. He came from um somebody who could no longer keep him. **1:42:33** · Um and his enclosure had been broken. **1:42:35** · And I'm not sure if his enclosure was broken with him in it or not, but he was always like quite shy. **1:42:42** · And I thought those are a lot of fun. People told me they're really cool. **1:42:46** · They're so cool. They're so pretty. Um their care is fairly easy. **1:42:51** · You can keep them in groups, too, right? **1:42:52** · People keep them like communally. I think some people do. Um I don't and I know that some people keep breeding groups together. Um and one of our um community members, Richard at I think it's Valdez skinks or Dezy's skinks, he's one of like the big US breeders of fire skinks. And he will keep his like together during breeding. **1:43:20** · He'll like put them together and he'll keep his babies like the clutches will stay together for a while, but even then he's had a couple of instances of bullying. **1:43:29** · Yeah. **1:43:29** · So, Oh, okay. **1:43:31** · It's not always like a perfect situation. And obviously, like if you notice that, you take them out. But, um, newbie, I don't think he would appreciate it if I got another skink and put him in his enclosure. He's He's my So I I got my my ster came from Petco. I got it for a whopping $20. **1:43:52** · Nice. **1:43:53** · And they came out. **1:43:55** · They they came Well, they had a new girl working in there that day and she got the labels mixed up. **1:44:00** · And so she was like, "Oh, this one's 20." I was like, "Sure is." **1:44:04** · Is it? **1:44:05** · Sure it is. **1:44:06** · Here's $20. **1:44:07** · If you say so. **1:44:08** · I have cash. **1:44:09** · You're the You're the expert. **1:44:12** · I walked out of there giggling. And I was like, "Yeah, $20 per me." Uh, yeah. They tried to She came around the corner with one of those cardboard boxes. I was like, "No, stop. **1:44:22** · Not gonna No, bro. I got a 45minute drive home. This ain't this ain't going to work." Like, "Give me a beta cup." And then she brought me Wasn't a Wasn't like a juvie. Well, what's a Wasn't little. It doesn't sound like it was little, dude. **1:44:38** · It wasn't It wasn't little. Well, it wasn't like my hypothesis that still had its had its pink feet and stuff. This was like maybe the size of like a small adult brachie. **1:44:50** · Okay. So, probably still like a wildcaugh individual at that size. **1:44:55** · I don't know. **1:44:58** · Did it look like \[ \_\_ \] No. **1:45:01** · No one buys the spiders at the the nearest Petco to me because there were times where I went in there and they've had the same spiders there for like over a year. So, when they were on sale, I was like because they're also like it's starting to get too big and I guess when they get too big people don't want to buy them even more so they start making deals and like they'll give me an extra 10% off if I cup it for them. So are you serious? Oh my god. **1:45:23** · Yeah, dude. Because they're like terrified of them. They're like we'll give you an extra 10% off if you take it if you if I'll touch it. **1:45:31** · Hell yeah. I'll just grab it. **1:45:32** · They me a beta cup and then the beta cup lid didn't fit. So I was like \[ \_\_ \] But that's the worst. **1:45:40** · Got him home and homeboy been been living it up. **1:45:44** · I wish my Petco had given us more percent off for cupping them. That ended up kind of being our requirement if we were picking up like a Petco spider that um Jordan could like Juju could do the cupping because a lot of the like animal care people were kind of frightened. Um, and I one time watched a an employee at a pet store um be scared of the spider and they ended up it got out and it fell. **1:46:14** · Um, and it didn't like the abdomen didn't rupture, but after they dropped it like onto the floor, I was no longer really comfortable like taking a spider home that had done that damage. Um, where I live now though, they have a mature male GBB that I'm sure has been there long enough that it matured there. **1:46:32** · Uh, and luckily I don't need a mature male GPB cuz they they're like, "Yeah, it's 25% off." And I was like, "So, you want someone to pay like a hundred and something dollars for a mature male that has like not very long left." And they're like, couple months. **1:46:48** · Yeah. Like, all right, friends. **1:46:50** · My first classy came from that Petco. I got it for like 60 or 70 bucks. Dude, when they when they run those sales, man, like I ain't above going over there and shopping around. Like all those Thrive Enclosures. **1:47:03** · That's Pets Smart Thrive Enclosures are my current favorite. Um 8812 for the price for what you can get out of them. I think that the biggest struggle that you have with those is obviously that they should be should have the bottom sealed like where the white plastic meets the acrylic. If you don't seal that, they get disgusting. **1:47:26** · And the same thing with like um where you push the little like push pins in that like attach the enclosure together. If you don't seal those, they get a little bit yucky. **1:47:37** · Mhm. **1:47:38** · Yeah. My Gallas is trash hers. **1:47:42** · Of course she has. **1:47:43** · Like whatever, dude. Swear we can't have nice For real. **1:47:50** · I do like them, though. It sucks that they keep going up in price because when they first brought them out they were like 20 bucks. Not even I thought they were $40 and 20 on sale. **1:48:00** · No, when they first released them they were like 20 or 25 and then over time I guess people were buying them up and they were like let's start asking more and so the prices just slowly crept up on them over the last year or two. **1:48:14** · Interesting. cuz when I when they released them where I was, they were $40 and 50% off and they kept them at that price, the 50% off price for like months. **1:48:24** · Mhm. **1:48:25** · And then they were 40. And now I think that they're 45. Um, as of like last week, they were on 50% sale for that like 2250, which still makes them like the most affordable 8812 on the market presently. Um, kind of out there. Yeah. I don't know one that's I don't know one that's better priced than that. **1:48:42** · I was very stack too at first like when I first saw them I was like there's no way those are I was thinking like same thing rubber band stuff I'm like there's no way these are better than that like these are probably the same I was like let me get one and try one and I put it together and I was like this is actually pretty legit and I've same thing I've come to love them and now like when they're on sale if I go into PetSmart because I'm in mine pretty regularly because I don't have a Petco on this side of town um if they're on sale I'll just grab one just and I'll start stockpiling them like I'll just keep some on hand because I know I'm going to use it at some point. **1:49:16** · Yep. **1:49:16** · I feel that on an existential level. Um I do like that they have both the top part has the lips that protect from a little bit of warping. So if it does warp, it's still like the spider can't get out. And the same thing with the door. It has the double latch. **1:49:36** · So again, if it warps, a large spider can't get out. Um, which is a struggle with some other enclosures that have warping is that they no longer close correctly and then the spiders can get out and then big spider on wall, which is not what I want. **1:49:50** · Yeah. **1:49:50** · All right. Good. **1:49:53** · I've heard some people complain about the holes, like the the pilot holes not matching up. Um, I haven't really had that been an issue with any of mine though yet. So, I had it with one one of the ones that I got when they first made them. I haven't had an issue with any in the last year. So, my last like 12 that I've bought, I didn't have an issue. **1:50:14** · Yeah. **1:50:15** · Wow. **1:50:16** · There's some guys like Gage, who we've had on the show a couple episodes back. He's he's been using them for his uh his leaf tail geckos for raising up some of his baby europlatus. **1:50:25** · Oh, that's uh I remember him I remember him talking about that. Yeah, that's actually really smart. I don't know. I just use those eyes, dude. spaghetti storage containers and I ventilate them myself and those things are bulletproof, dude. Cambros. I use Cambros and those 20 C sterilites for all my centipedes. I have hundreds of those. It's crazy. **1:50:48** · And they stack. Yep. And they stack and they're gasketed and the white beudes can't push their way out and I'm a happy Phil. **1:50:58** · Are you one of those those people that everything has to like match? **1:51:01** · No. **1:51:03** · No. **1:51:03** · No. I it can't like it. **1:51:05** · The picture of my my cabinet thing. His has like a stroke. **1:51:08** · Well, dude, that's Justin. That's a whole different issue. He's he's like he's he's playing on a different level, man. The guy's that the man's is built different. He's in Germany. You know what I mean? He has like his room looks like a laboratory. Mine looks like Yeah, dude. The guy's doing science over there. We're keeping bugs in boxes over here. Okay. you know, where, you know, we're just I go to HomeGoods and get a lot of my containers from there because they have a lot of the shapes and sizes and like types that I like to use, right? And they're cheaper than most places. **1:51:40** · So, like, yeah, everything in my in my room is there's no uniformity whatsoever. It's No, if it fits a spider in it, it fits ships, dude. Yeah. **1:51:51** · \[ \_\_ \] yeah. \[ \_\_ \] yeah, dude. **1:51:54** · I ain't trying to make anything match. **1:51:55** · Like, it has a job. The spider's going to be in it for especially small stuff, not very long. So, what difference does it make because it's just gonna get bumped up in a couple months anyways? **1:52:03** · No, dude. It's got to be the same because then he knows the same parameters and then you can keep everything the same and then he knows when things are going to like I I don't know, dude. He explained it in his German voice and I was like, "Okay, bud. **1:52:17** · You're right." **1:52:20** · He just he always responds. He's like, "How do you do it?" I'm like, "I don't know, man. just like I I know what's what. It's all labeled and I sent him a picture of I sent him a video of some centipedes once and he's like your room looks like you just came back from an expo and I was like you \[ \_\_ \] Oh my dude, my shit's my \[ \_\_ \] is \[ \_\_ \] immaculate. My \[ \_\_ \] is immaculate. Okay, he's like it looks like you just came back from an expo. All your \[ \_\_ \] is in Where are you setting everything up? **1:52:53** · Yeah. Like what the \[ \_\_ \] \[ \_\_ \] All my \[ \_\_ \] is set up, dude. Dude, I was laughing. **1:52:59** · He also saw the the containers with this much dirt and this much space and said, "Huh?" **1:53:04** · No, but like literally he was like, "Are you good?" And I'm like, "No." Like I'm not okay. Oh man. Oh, what a funny guy. **1:53:16** · Get into TA stuff. **1:53:19** · Yeah. The best the best community on the internet. **1:53:23** · The coolest. **1:53:24** · The coolest. **1:53:26** · The What's What's your history with TA? **1:53:30** · Yeah. So TA existed like long before I did in the invert hobby. Um many eons ago. **1:53:39** · Many eons ago. In the before times, the before my invert keeping times. Um but the kind of idea behind TA remains the same. It's a community that's focused on kind of like research and educational outreach. Um mainly focused on invertebrates but also more broadly on like all exotic animals. **1:54:02** · And the hope and obviously the dream of TA is that we are kind of bridging the gap between like keepers and scientists and behavior technologists um and improving standards of care and kind of raising awareness because there's not a lot of information that is easy to access when it comes to things like invertebrates. **1:54:25** · Um TA is like really heavily rellyant on kind of citizen science contributions which is all of us. So if you've ever used I naturalist I naturalist is another citizen science community where everybody is getting together to identify everything bugs animals plants and doing that as a community and furthering kind of the understanding of where those animals range what they look like etc. **1:54:53** · Um, yeah. So, TA is full of keepers and advisers and lovers of animals rather than just like you don't have to be a keeper to be there. Um, but it's full of mash disciples. **1:55:10** · MASH disciples also. Um, and then we have disciples of the MASH. Yeah, we have um a lot of the Underdark crew that is there and that has been wonderful over the last gosh I think it's almost like what 10 months now it it feels like an entire era now that long I don't know I had **1:55:33** · just joined and then I think like two days later there was like some big migration and there's like some drama related that I don't recall but like Phil's like look just join this one I'm like oh okay like I had just been on Discord. I was so unfamiliar with it. **1:55:47** · This one's cool, Justin. Here, figure it. **1:55:48** · Yeah. **1:55:48** · He was like, "Hey, every like party's moving over here." And I was like, "Oh, okay. I'm just You could be walking me off a cliff." And I have no idea where I'm going. But I was I did walk you off a cliff. I I pushed you off a cliff, dude. **1:56:01** · But it is. I mean, like we've like we've talked about, it's it's so refreshing and enjoyable, I think, is the big thing. Like, I like being there and I like talking to people on there. **1:56:14** · It's not like Facebook groups where it's like I know if I say something like if I brought up the Aaya situation or something that I'd probably get roasted by a lot of people and like some of that rightfully so. Like yeah, but it's really nice to be able to to go somewhere and people be like \[ \_\_ \] happens like here's what you should do to fix it. like here's different opinions like lot of experience uh from **1:56:43** · a lot of different evidence based literature you know yeah that too and it's just it's just nice to have just a a place that just feels like a a hangout and isn't doesn't take itself super seriously like you don't have people that are thinking they're they're the king \[ \_\_ \] of \[ \_\_ \] mountain because they're you know they're they're in charge of it and like just it's just so much better than the Facebook groups, you know, and like I'm in a lot of Facebook groups. I almost even in my own groups, I almost never post in them. I just I there's something about it. **1:57:14** · I just I have zero desire. Like I like seeing stuff that people post. I like lurking, but I really don't have any I don't have any desire to to really engage in Facebook groups. Um, personally, uh, mostly because of the people, but also because arguing with strangers on the internet is not something I I enjoy as a hobby. So, I don't know. It's just it's so nice. **1:57:42** · I will say that like unlike other communities Whoa. **1:57:49** · I think Phil's air. **1:57:53** · Oh, hello. **1:57:55** · Hello, Phil. **1:57:56** · Can you hear us, Phil? **1:57:58** · My thing just exploded. I Yeah, we're good now. I can hear you. I couldn't hear you. I had to do a thing. **1:58:05** · And I could hear me. And that's the worst experience that I've had today. So I'm glad that's no longer happening. Um I will say that um we have kind of an expectation for people participating in advisories. One that they're taking kind of intellectual responsibility for the advisories they're making, which is part of our QA system and why you'll see people disclaiming advisories. um and why you'll see even somebody who we consider to be a qualified adviser disclaiming parts of their advice that maybe they're not qualified like a qualified adviser for. **1:58:36** · So if I make a statement on breeding even though I will say that I have a decent amount of breeding experience at this point after a couple of years I still wouldn't consider myself like a breeder. **1:58:49** · Um so I make sure that I say like these are things that I've experienced. um this is my experience or my opinion and it doesn't make that less valuable and I think it also kind of helps us keep any sort of ego in check versus in other places where people might state their opinions or experiences as fact and then they have this um need to protect that statement versus like here was my experience and you may have a different experience and that's okay. **1:59:16** · So kind of like remembering how important it is to kind of pull ego out of advice when everybody is there to help the same animal. So I think that that is different from other communities. **1:59:30** · Um well that's the issue with a lot of the with the Facebook groups in general is just every opinions are so black and so concrete and to mention like hey you probably shouldn't keep that green tree python on aspen and then you're going to have you know the one or two people in that group that because they never get checked no one seems to challenge anything that they're saying. if you challenge it, you're you **2:00:00** · the mob just comes for you, you know, and it's it's like that's the most frustrating thing with not even just inverts, but like herps and stuff, too, is like it's so much there's a lot of gray area. There's so many variables at play. You know, it can't be that simple as there's a lot of ways to get a cat. **2:00:20** · Right. Right. **2:00:22** · Yeah. **2:00:24** · And that's again why it's so important to like be able to say when something is your opinion and when it's your belief or when it's something that you heard. **2:00:33** · Um something that Ju Guu will say that reminds me I think about it a lot when I'm advising like is it a fact you know is a fact you heard or is it a fact that you made up and Oh you said that to me once. I remember we talked about that. You said that one of my favorite statements. Um also it does sound very very very noesque. **2:00:52** · Yeah. **2:00:52** · Um, and it's one of my favorites because it continuously reminds me to like take my ego out of the equation. And that is so important when you're advising because like we're there to care for the animal, but the first person like the first part of that is like caring for the other human on the other side of the screen. Mhm. **2:01:10** · And like if you had gone into that situation with your Akaya and we had \[ \_\_ \] on you, like more than likely the only thing that is suffering in that is the Akaya because now we've mistreated you. You're very unlikely to come back and ask another question because you don't want to be punished for asking. **2:01:29** · So it's funny you say that cuz Juji was like, "Send me a picture of the setup." And I'm like, "Oh man, it's a little crispy in there right now." And so I sent him a picture. was like, "Be gentle." He was No, he was like super cool about it. And I was fully expected to be like, "Dude, do better." And be like, "Yep." **2:01:51** · Figured that was what the answer would would be. But he was he's like, "No." He's like, "This is a a judgment free zone, more or less." I mean, I'm paraphrasing, but he's like same thing. Like, we want to do we're here to do the better for the animal, you know, and it's not it's about objectivity. That's that's what it is, you know. **2:02:09** · Absolutely. **2:02:09** · Um, another jujuism since he's not here to say it is that sometimes we punish people because punishment feels good. It feels good to tell the keeper that they suck. Like we get some sort of intrinsic feeling of value or like we did something good by saying that, but all we did was put a barrier between ourselves and the other keeper. And we've put the animal that we say we love at risk. **2:02:35** · Because if we can't establish rapport with the other keeper, then the animal is the only one that suffers because that person can just take their ball and go home. They don't have to listen to your advice. And if you treat them like \[ \_\_ \] they won't. And they shouldn't like they shouldn't have to experience that just to get advice. Um, and there are some communities that don't believe that way and they think that like shaming a keeper for whatever they're going through with an animal is the right way. **2:03:05** · Um, and I will say that they may experience success with that one advisory, but that person is probably not going to come back. or they will go and they'll say, "Well, I know I'm going to get the answer that I need, but they're going to make me feel really bad while I get it. So, I'm going to leave feeling worse even though I got the information that I needed." **2:03:26** · And I don't think that that's fair to the spider, fair to the keeper, or particularly good for the hobby. **2:03:31** · Scares a lot of new people away from the hobby. Straight up. **2:03:35** · Yeah. **2:03:35** · Um, it does mean that people will say that uh we have a lot of new keepers and I think that that's really special. **2:03:43** · I think that creating a space where new keepers feel comfortable to ask the like dumb question is important because everybody has those dumb questions and if somebody doesn't ask them like nobody will know and you never know if a question is something that has never like been asked before like what if we've never used a certain kind of dirt and substrate and people are like well this is what is available in my country can I use it and then you're down a deep rabbit hole about substrate and there's nothing better than talking about shirt. **2:04:13** · Mhm. Facts, facts. Timberline organic, baby. **2:04:18** · No, it's $3 a bag. **2:04:21** · I'm bougie. **2:04:23** · Yeah, Justin got his high-end gold flake. **2:04:27** · $20 bio blend. **2:04:30** · $20 bio blend that comes delivered to him on a silver platter. He has to tip the driver. **2:04:37** · No, I don't. I go I'd be tipping myself because I'm the one driving across town to go get it. **2:04:41** · Yeah. **2:04:41** · all all 10 people that live in your town. You gota Yeah, dude. It's across across town for me is 15 minutes and it's terrible. Like if I'm having to drive across town, like that's a trick. Okay. If I got to leave the If I got to leave an island, that's the rule here, dude. If you got to drive over 45 minutes both ways and it's uphill to work. **2:05:03** · Yeah. **2:05:03** · Yeah. I was like, dude, there's more people on my street than in your town, brother. It's not a lot, but it's I think over maybe it's just because I'm I'm getting older. Um but like having the dumb questions and being green to something. **2:05:23** · Um but it's, you know, it's it's it can be a little daunting, especially given the way that social media is now. And like I can understand why newer people would be afraid to speak up, especially on Facebook, cuz seeing just the brutality there of of how people are, it's like I don't blame people one bit for not wanting to ask questions. Like why would they like seeing the reaction they're going to get from the general populace is like I don't blame you one bit, but like I've seen it in condos. **2:05:49** · I had a lot of people message me about condos over the years and it'd be like I didn't want to ask in the group, but what do you think about X Y and Z? And it was always the thing like, look, learn from my mistake. I've killed a lot of condos, dude. Like, I don't want you to kill a lot of condos. So, I'm going to tell you whatever I have to tell you to make sure that you don't have to go through that because it sucks. **2:06:11** · Um, but it's also, you know, it's that, but then realizing too that just because you're good at, you know, inline skating and you're not great at skateboarding yet doesn't mean that you won't at some point be great at skateboarding. **2:06:31** · So, it's like it's okay to be new at something, I guess, is kind of the that's that's what I've come to realize over time is like it's not that serious if you don't know. like you don't know what you don't know. And so, well, yeah, that's the fun part, dude, is learning, right? Right. Like, um, that's kind of the, you know, one of the coolest parts of the community is, you know, it's a a large group of people that, you know, most of them want to learn, right? **2:06:56** · And then there's quite a bit of tools that are available to us as community members to, you know, really help us learn. Mhm. **2:07:04** · Um, you know, the the WSC bot, you know, Moly, um, all that stuff that's kind of \[ \_\_ \] banana land if you really think about it. Like the WSC bots's kind of banana land. And that's something that like you can DM that bot and just ask it all the \[ \_\_ \] on your own time and just learn, you know? **2:07:29** · Yep. **2:07:29** · you can pull all of the species info and it ties in things for my naturalist. It gives you information aboutation about like soil humidity and temperatures, all of these things that like we think about a lot in our keeping. Um I think it is more commonly thought about in like snake keeping. **2:07:47** · Um and we're hoping that this brings it into spider keeping maybe more than it is in more broad circles. Um, and that you can install the WSC bot in your own server is pretty special. Um, you can also get to it online if you don't want to use the bot, which I think is very cool. Um, but yeah, like there's just so much information that we have at our fingertips that people used to have to get in books. **2:08:14** · When we started talking to Ditz about this, he's got this like almanac, right? **2:08:20** · The weather book weather book, right? And that is amazing that that exists, but it's 2026 and maybe we didn't need it to be in a book. **2:08:30** · So now it is accessible to everyone without having to buy a book and kind of tweaking it because that that book is like for a specific year. Is it for the current year and it shows like three years back? **2:08:40** · It's metal. It's yeah, it's a wicked old book and then it's like the past like 60 years prior to the year that it was p it's it's some dated information which you know obviously holds value right but to a point right yeah when we're thinking about pairing though like a lot of that information is super valuable because correct we're thinking about like weather and it **2:09:06** · is easier to kind of look at some of that older data and know okay here's what it was then and we know that the pairings worked then versus having to account for global warming and how climate has changed and just kind of having to tack into the wind to try to match climate versus looking at how things were when we knew that things were successful. **2:09:27** · Right. **2:09:27** · Right. Right. **2:09:30** · Yeah. **2:09:30** · I'm I'm firmly convinced that you will you will learn so much more about a species from just reading up on natural history than you will any care sheet you know like nothing's nothing's better than than the source. **2:09:47** · Absolutely. **2:09:48** · Mother nature. **2:09:50** · She'll teach you everything you need to know. **2:09:53** · She taught you everything, Justin. **2:09:56** · Yeah. Except to keep centipedes in tall tubs. **2:10:01** · Yeah, I had to teach you that one. Uncle Phil. Uncle Phil had to teach you that one, dude. **2:10:07** · Taller than 16 delies with big holes. **2:10:10** · Yes, that uh Yeah, I need to send you some of my mesh lids so you can try it and like obviously put them in a bigger container, but just I think that that's what I ended up doing. **2:10:23** · I had them like once I saw the first one missing I was like well I need to put these in something else in case they get out because I put it back in the deli and I was like it's not going to figure it out again. It was that was a fluke. It was a fluke. **2:10:35** · Yeah. Yeah. Survive. **2:10:36** · They're not they're not that smart. **2:10:38** · Yeah. **2:10:38** · And then Phil was appalled when I was like yeah I mean I saw it stick its head through one of the holes but I didn't think it was big enough for the whole body. **2:10:44** · Yeah. Me and literally me Ana literally me literally my face. Like I'd be like \[ \_\_ \] Are you kidding me? Get that \[ \_\_ \] out that enclosure right now. **2:10:53** · I think that I would have learned that lesson having because like with snakes it's like if I think it can get through that gap. **2:10:59** · It can get through the gap. **2:11:02** · They got all those legs. Like it's there's no way. **2:11:05** · Bro, they're flat. They're flat. **2:11:07** · Tarantulas are the same thing. We say if the carropus can fit in either direction, then the spider can get out. **2:11:12** · So pay attention. **2:11:14** · 100% you 100%. **2:11:17** · So I've been using the metal. I have those metal mesh, the metal mesh lids now for the delies. And now all the the juvenile centipedes that are in delies have metal mesh. And if they start chewing through metal, Ana, then I'm just going to send them all to you. **2:11:32** · They deserve to get they deserve their freedom. If they made it in something big, they've earned it. **2:11:38** · If they start chewing through metal, they can Yeah. Done. **2:11:43** · It's over. **2:11:45** · Yeah. Yeah. They're going to start flying and \[ \_\_ \] terrible. **2:11:53** · Yeah, I do believe there will be centipedes in my future, but right now I have my a jumping spider that I got from Dritz and um I also recently got a ghost mantis, which I did not expect to like. Um they're pretty cool. They're pretty cool. **2:12:10** · She is just so cute. and I was hoping that it was a boy and then I had one of my friends confirm for me and she is in fact a girl. So I'll be trying to pair my first mantis instead of getting to be able to ship out a male. Um but yeah, I I often hope for males with my inverts because it means that I have less responsibility and just get to win when someone else does all the work. Um facts facts. I feel that. Yeah, I don't mantids are it's in a similar thing for me like with the jumpers and stuff. **2:12:42** · It's like if they lived longer I I would probably Yeah, that's the be more interested in them. It's just the you know the the flash in the pan that just I'm already attached and they are all I know they will both break my heart because they are just so cute. My jumping spider molted for the first time and now it doesn't look like a little tick. It looks like a little spider. **2:13:06** · Fluffly. **2:13:07** · Do you have velvets? Do you have velvet? **2:13:09** · Nope. I I'm not ready. **2:13:11** · Those are going to hurt my feelings in a real big way. **2:13:14** · Well, they're literally so cool. I'm like so surprised. I feel like that would be right up your alley. Like they're they're like jumping spiders, but ones that smoke cigarettes and lift weights. **2:13:26** · It's true. It's true. Um without how small the males are compared to the females for pairing is like just insane. It's so great. Um, it's it's it's the dmorphism is is \[ \_\_ \] astonishing. Yeah. **2:13:41** · I Yeah, they're so cool. **2:13:43** · I'm hopeful that TA will not vote for a velvet as our next breeding project. Um, we tend to let everybody who is um a VIP or a subscriber. They get to vote on breeding projects which then we purchased the spiders for. Last one was an avicularia miniatrix and cool. **2:14:02** · We paired her this year and she molted out. So I have another male that's coming next week to try again. **2:14:09** · Oh, cool. **2:14:10** · Yeah. **2:14:10** · So I'm very excited about that one. One of the runners up was P Victoria, but I had already impulse purchased a P Victoria, so that one was out of the running and they just we got that one. Um, but yeah, that is a fun way that kind of we get to interact with the community and kind of give them some oversight because these are the people that we're kind of breeding them for. **2:14:29** · Uh, we do a lot of giveaways, a lot of giveaways. Um, I think we have another probably 20 P Victoria that we'll give away over the next couple of months. And both of our girls have molted, so we will get to pair them again. Um, so I imagine we'll have more P Victoria in the future. Uh, that's awesome. Those are They're so cool. The ones that you send me are are literal like they're they're savages. **2:14:58** · You just put whatever feeder in there and they tackle it and it's like it's so easy. **2:15:06** · They are very fun. Um, and all of the again all the P Victoria that were like team scratch and dent or if they didn't eat immediately I kept all of those. So, everybody that got a Victoria from me or if they got um like any sort of TA spider, I don't send out the ones that have struggled to eat and then we keep those as holdbacks. Um it just we don't want people to have a bad experience from spiders, especially when they're getting them for free. Like we don't want them to get a spider that like is struggling. **2:15:34** · So, we keep all of those. Um and it means that like if there's a risk of any that are going to be failure to thrive, they failed to thrive at home. **2:15:42** · And I haven't like shipped out a spider that maybe wouldn't make it. Um because we had very little loss from our P Victoria clutches this year for instance and both of them were kind of way above what we would consider standard. Um I had been prepared for a couple of like 80 to 100 sling exacts. **2:16:04** · You got a lot like 160ish and 222. So nearly Yeah. Yeah. You actually beat Wow. 222 beat the HMAC. That's really serious. **2:16:16** · And that is not that is only slings that molded to second instar. We didn't count any that like failed as eggs. Eggs with legs or first instar. Um yeah. Yeah. Mine came out second instar. So that makes sense. Wow. **2:16:30** · Yeah. **2:16:30** · The wild experience. That's really big for an Hback though. I thought as well. Like you had a pretty It is insane. Dritz was like, "Are you sure you counted right?" And I was like, "Yes, me and Corey counted twice." So, I don't know. **2:16:46** · I was counting. I told Juju that the second sack had to be smaller than the first one. And then I'm 4 hours into this stream packing like all of them into deli cups and I'm like, "This has to be smaller. I don't know why I'm so slow." And Juju was like, "You're wrong, respectfully." Um, and he was absolutely right. I I couldn't believe it. I was like, "Oh, it's probably like a hundred something, maybe it's 150." My goal was just to beat Rob, who a king of worms on Discord. **2:17:15** · He is owner of the male that we used and I was just like bigger sack, better person. Um, but his he had a great sack. He did great. It was his first breeding project and then we got to use the male and pair two more females and then send him half. **2:17:30** · Um, so what a cool first experience for him, too. Um, but I think he had like 13 something, 140 something, something like that. But another like very impressive Victory sack. Um, and hopefully with another couple sacks, we'll see like some price drops, which I love. **2:17:50** · Everybody deserves the ability. **2:17:55** · Yeah, exactly. That's, you know, something Trits really wants to do. Abs. **2:17:59** · Absolutely. It's why we got to we got to make Bambas happen, man. the bambas and we got to make more centipedes and your Yes. Yes. Justin will be doing that this weekend. It's really cool though to see so many species that you know 20 years ago were insanely expensive and seemed so unattainable like Balffor and Metallica you know the first round when I was keeping stuff like those things were all super expensive because not that many people were producing them **2:18:29** · and so to have so much stuff now that is you know Balffor like I can't believe how much cheaper those are now compared to how they you know what they were um and so many people kind of some of that stuff being in the same sort of demand as like Celadonia right now, but you know, two decades ago, no one had them. Few people were breeding them. Like it was crazy expensive. And to see now that there's so many other things available that weren't before is just really it's awesome to see. **2:19:00** · Dude, I remember Dritz telling me he said he remembers when LPs were $400 a piece. **2:19:06** · Really? **2:19:08** · Yeah. **2:19:09** · Jeez. That was a there was a time where that was a thing, dude. **2:19:12** · I believe it. I mean, he said he remembers when he got his first one and she was 80s and 90s, dude. There was like seven species people were doing anything with. There was keeping sponges with their uh in their water dishes and \[ \_\_ \] Yeah. **2:19:28** · End of 2021, I saw my first P Victoria and it was like $130 for a sling and I was like, I'm not I'm not buying that. I and I went and I got my I that was either when I got my Carabina Lita and my other aix or when I got my pumpkin patch. I forget which, but it was one of my very first expos. And instead I got slings that were more affordably priced. And both times I went looking for a G Pulcra and I didn't come home with it either time. I have them now. I've had them for four years. **2:19:57** · Um Guju and I got them together and they are sub 2 in still tiny. Yeah, they're cute little things. **2:20:09** · You're going to retire before they're adults. **2:20:12** · Unless they're boys, then like I've it's just a few like a handful more years and then I'll get to ship them out to somebody who's breeding them because I will not have a mature female. **2:20:21** · No. No. **2:20:23** · Yeah. I think Metallica slings back then were like 300 a pop. **2:20:27** · Whoa. Really? **2:20:29** · Seen cheaper Metallica since then. Um, we've seen people offer them as cheap as like $25 back in Guju's time. Some like $25 PTS. **2:20:40** · Um, and he reminds me of that sometimes. It's a it's a good reminder that like there are people who were doing good things in the hobby and they weren't there trying to like just get like drag every scent out of every keeper. Um, and that's kind of what we do with our breeding projects. offer them like really affordably to the community because the goal isn't like to make money. Um, spiders is a passion. **2:21:07** · So, I'd rather keep my work as work and let spiders be something that I enjoy. **2:21:12** · Hell, I spend I send Justin spiders for fun. Like, here, take this. **2:21:16** · Well, that's like that's one of the things I love about the fun. Yeah. **2:21:20** · Have some of these. Like, yeah. so many of of our friends and stuff, it's like, why are we just going to give each other money when we're just going to get snakes and spiders off one another? Like, why aren't we just sending each other stuff? Like, here, take this. I don't care sending the same 50 bucks back and forth to one another. Like, what are we doing? **2:21:37** · Just Yeah, just trade stuff, whatever. Send stuff. **2:21:40** · Like, that's the way that's the way I like it, you know? **2:21:44** · I I agree, dude. Animals for animals. **2:21:46** · Like, I'm sure at some point you'll send me something. It'll be dope. Like I'd rather do that and like sell wholesale than morph market and trying to sell stuff individually and like that whole thing. **2:22:00** · I just I've been down that road. Not a lot, but I've been down it enough to know that I it's I have no real interest in doing it on any decent scale. Like maybe a couple stuff here and there, but like yeah, sending stuff to homies, hooking them up, and then wholesale like wholesale. So it's really nice. It's really nice when you have too many spiders and you call Dritz and it's like listen this is what I got and I'm just bringing it by. He's like yeah man come on by man. Yeah yeah. And he takes all he takes all the spiders wholesale and he hooks you up with some dope ass centipedes but then solved. **2:22:36** · You only accept brachipelma as currency. **2:22:39** · Classy specifically and bambas. **2:22:44** · And bambas. **2:22:47** · The elusive brachi pelma bambas. **2:22:50** · Yeah. **2:22:50** · Yeah. They're tough to find. **2:22:52** · I'm going to hybridize them. **2:22:54** · Um not today, Satan. Not today. Um, Frank, I will say that like as people whose hobby includes breeding that it's super important and I think that this group is great at this is that remembering that like that's just the part of a hobby that we enjoy and that the people who don't breed their spiders are the reason that we can have that part of our hobby. And I've heard people think or feel bad because they're not breeding spiders. **2:23:21** · And I think that that is such a sad feeling because I don't think that necessarily it's coming from our community, but it's coming from somewhere where people feel like they're less. **2:23:30** · It's the same thing in herpes. **2:23:32** · I was going to say with herps. Yeah. **2:23:35** · Yeah. It's cool to just keep animals. **2:23:37** · The mentality of everyone else is doing it. **2:23:40** · Like I think people come into it and they say like see everyone else is doing it so they assume that that's just like that's what you do, you know? **2:23:48** · And like the people who want one snake or one spider, like that keeping experience is just as valid as any as somebody that wants to keep 300 spiders. Um, and it's so important to remember like these are people that and if you're selling those animals, remembering that you might be shipping somebody the only spider they're going to keep. **2:24:06** · So their experience of that might be the only one they have and they may never try again if something goes wrong or if I don't know something goes bad in shipping or if their experience with you when you're vending that spider is bad like you could end someone's hobby because they were only intending to keep that one animal. Um well then how many people are going to they going to tell about their experience with said breeder and it's like the question it's just you're digging yourself a hole. **2:24:36** · The question should be like is your reputation worth that single shipping label that you don't want to buy again to send them a reputation 40 bucks. Yeah. Just Yeah. look at it from a a bit of a wider angle of like, is this really worth people being told how shitty you were and difficult and a dick, you know, whatever. And to me, it's like just just eat it. Send a replacement. **2:25:00** · Like, if I send someone a rhino ratnake after I make sure that it's eating and they're like, "It's not eating." I'll be like, "I'll send you another one." Like, you can even keep the one I sent you that's struggling. **2:25:13** · I'll do it because again like money isn't a it's not my job, you know, it's not it's not my livelihood isn't dependent on it. And I can understand why some people would be um like that would be more of a factor because if it's what's paying their bills um and as a small business owner like understanding \[ \_\_ \] gets tight sometimes and it's it's going to be tough. Um you know if you're not doing it as a as a full-time gig like what's what's the big deal? **2:25:41** · Yeah. **2:25:41** · And even if you are doing it as a full-time gig, making sure that like your lag policy is good. Like making sure that you are at least keeping up with the other lag policies and that you aren't doing something weird and your customer service, like making sure that you're there for that communication. And like let's say that you're a a spider vendor that mostly gets from imports and maybe you're not wellversed in what happens to the spider after it's been in someone else's enclosure in their thing. **2:26:08** · like making sure that you're partnering with like people like TA for instance because it is our job to then look at a spider that's been in an enclosure and then back out and figure out what all of the causes to something could be. But I think that there are a lot of vendors that have really great customer service and then some vendors that are learning better customer service. And that's kind of all that you can hope for is that like vendors are growing and changing with the times and like making sure that like they're remembering that their customer is the reason that they can have that business. **2:26:38** · Well, I'm sure for a lot of people too, like for myself, if I buy from someone and everything is great, like the communication is really solid, like they're reliable. I know like I'm getting what I'm what I'm paying for. **2:26:50** · And like if I've bought from you multiple times, I'm likely you're you're probably going to become my guy. Like I'm not going to go shopping around. Like I've got a couple like Tom Saxon. I bought some stuff from him. Like if I want to go shopping around, like I'm going to go see what Tom has because like I know that it's good stuff. **2:27:10** · I know that it's good stuff. You know, I don't have That's what it is. Not not a question. **2:27:14** · Dylan, you know, at Eight Deadly Sins, like I bought from Dylan a couple times and it's like because I know what I'm like the service is there and the quality is there and like there's no real question about it because, you know, we've been through it a couple times and I don't know. I just I I don't like to to buy from a bunch of different people. **2:27:34** · I tend to just stick to like a core handful and if they have what I'm looking for, great. If they don't, then like you'll wait. At some point they will or I know somebody that will, you know, now that I got Phil that just sends me boxes and I'll really have to It's so bad, Justin. It's so bad cuz I saved your shipping address so I don't even need your information anymore. I can just click your name and print a label and and hope that he goes and picks up the spider. **2:28:02** · No, it goes to his work. **2:28:06** · So I know he's there, Ana. No, no, Ana. I know he's at work. I know he's getting it. **2:28:15** · Yeah. **2:28:16** · Yep. **2:28:17** · Yep. There's no He can't hide. **2:28:23** · I don't have a local hub anymore. So, if I ship stuff out, it gets picked up. If stuff gets sent to me, it gets dropped off. You know, that's unfortunate. Yeah, I know a lot of people are really weird about that now. I don't remember that being a thing a couple years ago. Maybe it's just mostly an invert thing, but I know with like most reptile people, they're like, "Okay, it's not going to a hub. No big deal." But I don't I don't know. I just I've never had any issues, fortunately. Knock on wood. Aside from delays, but I just pack for a delay. **2:28:53** · I just pack for a delay. Assume there's going to be a delay. Look at the weather, which sadly at this point, you kind of have to expect a delay, especially with Memphis and stuff. **2:29:04** · I I was going to say Memphis has been really tough. really really tough as of late. Um I was actually talking to someone I know at FedEx and she said there was a FedEx pilot strike. So I don't know if that has something to do with it. **2:29:19** · They also had like a chemical spill a couple weeks ago. **2:29:22** · Who's spilling chemicals over there? **2:29:24** · I don't know. That delayed stuff for I think three or four days that was in Memphis. **2:29:31** · Yeah. **2:29:32** · Oh, of course. **2:29:35** · Don't know what that entails. **2:29:36** · Chemicals. Yeah, something. **2:29:40** · I think all of the invert shipments that I've gotten have been delivered to a hub, but I've always been within like 35 minutes of a hub. Um, and it was worth it to me to to do that versus the one reptile. No, I had one reptile shipped to a hub and one um that was shipped that I didn't even get a like tracking number for. It just showed up at my house. I didn't know it had been shipped. It was terrifying. She was fine. was my uh one of my snakes and she's just she's the best. She came out fine. Um but the vendor was super apologetic. **2:30:13** · Like I didn't I didn't realize you didn't get the tracking. It's like there's nothing you can do. Like the tracking goes to the customer. **2:30:20** · Um but it didn't go to me. So I don't know if maybe like my email address was spelled wrong or something, but um she was fine. **2:30:27** · Who knows? Yeah, she's great. **2:30:30** · Wow. Yeah, I've only gotten reptiles shipped to I Yeah, I typically just go to the hub because I live right next to the airport. It's Yeah, see my nearest hub's like if traffic's non-existent, I could get there in like 45 minutes, but traffic's never non-existent, especially in the because it's a big port that it goes into because there's a the um airport and stuff is right there next to all of it. So all that stuff comes into to the port there and like traffic gets nuts, especially if you're getting into like rush hour. **2:31:02** · Um it just Yeah, it took me took me a little bit to get back from the hub yesterday with that centipede. So I was I was driving home in in bumper to bumper traffic with a nice centipede on my lap. It was fantabulous. **2:31:20** · No, I'm kidding. I I had him in the box. **2:31:23** · That was not Justin. Oh my god. I don't know. Sorry, Justin. **2:31:27** · That's the way I interpreted it. **2:31:29** · You're You're awful, dude. Get your mind out of the gutter. **2:31:31** · Wishful thinking. **2:31:35** · What are you trying to say, dude? **2:31:36** · Can you imagine one of those bastards getting loose in the car, though? Like, you're stuck in traffic and you have Yes, I dude. Dude, Frank told me, dude, the first time I ever met Frank, he told me in the early 2000s, he had a Galapagoensas get out in his truck and it got in between the \[ \_\_ \] ceiling and the like, you know, the like cover like the cloth covering, you know, the roof of your car and he said he had to pull over on the highway and \[ \_\_ \] fish it out with a snake hook and and bag it and bring it home. It was fine. **2:32:08** · Absolutely not. **2:32:09** · It got out and was out for like two weeks in October and \[ \_\_ \] It was getting cold in in New York. You said maniac. **2:32:18** · Truly pass. **2:32:25** · Justin, dude, you're so funny. You and your tall containers. Not that much. I will I I would 1,0% keep venomous snakes again before I kept big centipedes. **2:32:41** · Dude, that's the craziest. You know what's crazy? **2:32:44** · Really a comparison. **2:32:46** · Phil Phil Wolf literally has to wear a face shield for some of the cobras that he has. And he's like, "You know what? **2:32:54** · Yeah, Centipede sketched me out. I won't keep any." It's like, Phil, dude, you you have to wear a a \[ \_\_ \] face shield, brother. Like you have \[ \_\_ \] that could blind you and you're worried about a adult puff adders which are like that's not a small snake and that's not a slow snake when they want to move. **2:33:11** · Yeah. And they want to move they boogie. **2:33:14** · Yeah dude. **2:33:15** · Everyone thinks bits are slow until bits decide they don't want to be slow anymore and then it's like oh that's that's how people get bit. When the big giant fat slug all of a sudden can lift itself off the ground and do back flips um then it gets real. **2:33:37** · Yeah. Yeah. But he he won't take centipedes though. He won't he won't keep That's That's crazy. **2:33:46** · Maybe it's because snakes are just a little more predictable for the most part. **2:33:51** · Yeah, I think you're right. I think you're right. I know what a copperhead's probably going to do when I go to hook it. **2:33:57** · Mhm. Mhm. I've never hooked a centipede. **2:34:00** · I've never hooked one off with centipedes. **2:34:03** · Yeah. **2:34:05** · I don't trust you think would climb up the hook with all of it like Yes, they can. Yeah. **2:34:10** · So, do you need like two snake hooks when you're hooking peeds? **2:34:14** · I just have rubber tip tongs and I just grab them. Don't even hook them. **2:34:19** · That's protected contact, too. It's a barrier method. **2:34:21** · Yes, it is. Hell yeah. centipede and your fingies. **2:34:25** · And they sometimes they'll turn around and they'll just bite the \[ \_\_ \] out of the tongs. **2:34:29** · Those beard is for doing it to me because I had to had to tong them when I was putting them in the the proper container and like they immediately like were latching on like Jesus Christ. Like these things are little gremlins and they're fast. **2:34:44** · Feed them some feed them some chicken, dude. Get like a little piece of chicken and leave it in there. They'll munch on it. **2:34:48** · I don't feel like they're going to eat chicken. I don't They're not. They're little. **2:34:53** · Dude, I almost sent you some baby food in the in the box, but I was I sent you too many spiders and I couldn't fit it. **2:35:00** · Like I don't They don't strike me as as the types that would go for that kind of stuff just because of their subterranean. And I don't know. I just I don't think they will. I don't think they'll do it. **2:35:20** · You're probably right. But I mean, it can't hurt to try. A little bit of baby food goes a long way. You know what I mean? **2:35:27** · And how would I even know if they did? **2:35:29** · They're not big. **2:35:31** · You can see the baby food that's been eaten. Like if you put it in a little cup. **2:35:36** · Got them together. So, how would I know who ate who ate the big Justin? I don't I don't know. It's not about that. **2:35:43** · Two tall enclosures for two tiny centipedes for like You're making this really complicated and it doesn't have to, dude. You're right. You're right. I'm sorry. **2:35:56** · It's already asked backwards because I'm using stupid tall containers for tiny tiny centipedes. **2:36:02** · You don't have to, dude. You could use tiny containers. They're just going to get out. **2:36:06** · There has to be another way. There has to be like there's there a taller container with more decor and still plenty of room between the top and the bottom. Just give them more space, more decor. **2:36:19** · I don't like it. **2:36:23** · I don't like it. I don't They just How would you keep it, dude? What would be best for you? What would be best for you, Justin? **2:36:29** · The same inner cubic inches or whatever volume, I guess, is the the the proper term, but flat. And then figure out a way to do air holes that they can't get out of. **2:36:46** · But then what happens when you open the lid and they're riding the lid when you want to feed them? **2:36:52** · Yeah. **2:36:52** · What What happens when it's They're never out. They're always hidden. Like it's I I I It's like keeping more sand bows. They're just It's just a tub of dirt with a piece of work and some moss. **2:37:06** · Yeah, that's it. I don't see them out. **2:37:09** · Yeah, they're probably coming out at night, I'd imagine, but like I don't see them. You should let me send you some of the bigger ones. **2:37:21** · No. God damn it. **2:37:24** · It's not happening, Phil. I can't. **2:37:26** · Okay. **2:37:26** · I can't. **2:37:27** · You could. All you have to say is yes, and I'll take care of the rest. As long as you go to work, you'll get them. **2:37:34** · Then I I won't go to work. **2:37:39** · I will be sick on whatever day you might be sending those. He packs for delays. **2:37:46** · Vacation. **2:37:50** · I will say that when Mike shipped us a box of Hottie Hottie, he said he was including a few extras and then didn't elaborate any further than that. And there was a part of me that was terrified that those extras were going to be centipedes that I wasn't prepared for. And he said, "Well, everything will fit in a deli cup. You'll be okay." I was like, "Okay." **2:38:10** · Um, and he sent um an electric blue Aquila brachis because my female had just passed like post pairing. Um, and I'm not sure if she was egg bound or what happened, but she was paired, she was nesting, and then she was no longer with us. Um, it's weird. **2:38:30** · That was a sad breeding update for us this year. **2:38:34** · Yeah, that's always tough. **2:38:36** · I don't think that I think that she and the last one that we had before that was a GBB in 2024 that passed like and we believe eggbound, but I never uh dissected her. She's in my freezer. I was not prepared. She was my first spider and I just I wasn't ready to open that can of worms. **2:38:54** · Yeah. Yeah, I hear that. I had You're looking for egg. **2:38:59** · You had a what? I had an OBT that passed away the first after I paired her. I think last year. I remember that. **2:39:06** · Yeah, that was a couple months ago, right? **2:39:08** · It was last year. **2:39:09** · Last year sometime. I remember that. **2:39:12** · Or no, wait. I'm thinking of the the Avoc. **2:39:17** · Oh, no, no, the AIC. The AIC dropped uh a dud sack and then my Haiti Haiti also passed away. **2:39:24** · Maybe. **2:39:27** · I don't know. It all blends together, dude. Have you I mean have you dissected one that was eggbound before? **2:39:35** · Me or Ana? **2:39:37** · Ana. **2:39:38** · Yeah, I haven't. **2:39:40** · Um the only one that I could potentially have that opportunity with is my GBB. Um but again, she was my first spider and I'm probably going to do that this year because I need her out of my freezer. I need some freezer space back. curious what that has Juju done that? **2:40:00** · Yeah, I don't know if he has dissected one that is egg bound or not. Um the last dissection that we did was a mature male cuz we wanted to see what the inside of a mature male's abdomen was like post passing. If you've ever seen a larger spider get injured, like their insides are like pretty gelatinous and can just kind of become their outsides if their um like exoskeleton is damaged enough outside. **2:40:29** · Uh but mature males like their insides are like kind of wonky comparatively less and it seems to be like more condensed. **2:40:38** · Um it's like less soft on the inside. **2:40:42** · Whoa. **2:40:44** · Interesting evolution for the female to eat. **2:40:50** · Um, speaking of GBB males, we definitely have one cohabed right now with a female. Hope he's fine. **2:40:56** · Do you lose a lot of GBB males? Do you get Do they get munched a lot? **2:41:00** · Not anymore. Um, this one I haven't given up on him, but he's so shy that I feel like he needs more time with her and he's in the equivalent of like a 40gallon enclosure with her. So, he's got plenty of space to get away. **2:41:16** · Um, especially with GBBS, like we use a kind of \[ \_\_ \] bin situation, so they have a lot of space to scuaddle just like they would in the wild versus when you're pairing. That's what they That's the best way. **2:41:31** · Tell me Tell me that you that you can think of a better word for a way that a mature male tarantula moves when they're trying to get away from something. **2:41:39** · They shuffle away. **2:41:41** · Yeah. **2:41:41** · But very fast. Um very quickly. **2:41:45** · But yeah, so with GBB specifically, it seems like their courtship just takes longer. At least in my experience. I know that some people have great success just dumping the males in and somehow it works. Um, but I'll say the first pairing that we did this year, the male and the female tapped at each other and stood next to each other for hours. And the male comfortable enough to turn around, face his ass to her, and start webbing. And she didn't jump him at all. **2:42:11** · Like they were very much like in that pairing and communication stage. **2:42:17** · And I do feel personally like that has a lot to do with how much time they had to kind of get used to the fact that the other one was there and kind of participate with one another. Um this other female with our smaller male has tapped a little bit but and she's like she should be like reasonably freshly molted so she shouldn't be in premol but she's just like not as um like excited to be there with this smaller mature male. Um, and she's on the smaller side, so I don't really want to pair her with the other like behemoth mature male that we have, even though he's like making sperm webs in his container. **2:42:49** · He's like ready to go. Round two, locked and loaded. **2:42:54** · Yeah, he's great. Both of those males came from Dritz. Um, we sent him the list of females that we had and he sent nine mature males in one box. um which we paired except for the GBBS all of the other ones in the span of like I want to say 10 days and got most of them like shipped out again. **2:43:14** · Um he sent a Marali two Balffor two GBB um H pulipes C vers maybe one more that I'm not remembering off the top of my head. Oh, escal. **2:43:35** · Ah, yes. **2:43:36** · So, we paired those all like mid-March and now we have the escal and one of the severe colors are on a sack. One severie is um I think she's starting to nest, but we'll see. Um each poke has laid a full dome. So, I'm hopeful that she finally lays and doesn't trick me and mol again. That would that would hurt my feelings. Um yeah, that would be a kick in the balls for sure. **2:44:01** · Absolutely. **2:44:01** · Oh, and he's sent to be Amelia, which is cohabed. So, that male isn't going anywhere. He lives with me probably for the rest of his life. We'll see. We'll see if he ever gets his \[ \_\_ \] together and then he can go somewhere else. But I I don't have high hopes. I think that he will live with my girls till he passes. **2:44:18** · Why are bra Why are Brachie Palma giving you issues like that? **2:44:22** · I am not sure. Um I'm not sure. Like I feel like my ambient temps and humidity should be great for them. Yeah, me too. Like I'm that's why I'm confused. **2:44:34** · The male that I received as penultimate um he matured with like kind of a wonky spot on his abdomen and I'm not sure if he is more shy because his body is like maybe weaker. **2:44:50** · Yeah, he's a little gimpy. Um he's he's precious though. Like they're just such cute spiders. Mature males are just the best. They're my favorite. Um, but both of our girls are also like really chill. **2:45:01** · And I have to wonder if that's also part of the problem cuz it's like the males don't know what to do. And all of the pairing videos that I watch with Bilia, the females are like very like ready to go and kind of violent towards the males. **2:45:14** · But both of my girls are just very chill. Um, I have a similar experience with GBBS is that like after a few years with them, um, all of our girls were pretty chill versus them the females that I got from Drits, we traded some larger GBBs for a bunch of slings that um, he has now run out of. And the girls that I tried to pair of his um, were much different behaviorally. **2:45:41** · And when I told Juju that I was bummed about that, he said, "You know that those are acting like normal spiders. Like maybe your spiders are the weird ones and ditzes are the normal ones." **2:45:50** · I was going to say his GBBs were kind of kind of mean. **2:45:56** · I have never been not never. I don't think I've been threat posed by a GBB in like years though. And then all of his GBB is threat posed to me. And I was like, "Okay." **2:46:05** · Yeah, that's rude. It's because you're from Boston. **2:46:09** · Yeah, dude. They have an accent that I I don't understand yet. **2:46:12** · Wicked. **2:46:14** · They love Dunkin Donuts. **2:46:16** · Rev Dunkin Donuts, kid. **2:46:19** · Dunkin Donuts sucks, dude. **2:46:20** · The escows were very good. **2:46:22** · Calm down over there. Okay. I just got a \[ \_\_ \] Dunkin Donuts gift card from work. Okay, let's let's calm down. All right. **2:46:31** · It's nothing like though. **2:46:34** · Yeah, goddamn right. **2:46:37** · Um, who else have we had interesting pairings with? Escal was so fast. It was another one of those pairings that I like psyched myself up for and I was afraid that the male was going to get eaten or that it was going to be real violent. And he like he just knocked on the door was like, "Hey." **2:46:54** · He paced around the I had them in a 29galon aquarium and I put her enclosure in the middle but like against the wall and he paced for like hours until I like booped him with like a chopstick and he like ran down dropped onto her enclosure like onto her cork bark and then just stood still and then he tapped really loudly and she tapped really loudly and then it was done. **2:47:19** · Wow. **2:47:20** · Yeah. **2:47:20** · their their like communication is so much more like loud without making sound. Like they just they move so much their movements are so much larger than say a GBB which typically is like smaller movements and they're like kind of touching toes and kind of deciding like am I going to get eaten? Are we going to are we going to \[ \_\_ \] Like what's going on? **2:47:42** · But Escow's like slapping on the door like wake up girl like it's time. **2:47:46** · Yo. Yeah. But when we paired when we paired the HMAC, Warren's mail knocked on the door and was like, "It's time." He was in and out. **2:47:55** · I'll blow your house down. **2:47:57** · Yeah, I'm coming in there. **2:48:00** · I was expecting I was expecting C Marshall to be like more chill because the first time that I paired my C Darling, she was really chill and she ate him. Poor George. **2:48:11** · Oh, really? Really? I thought Sarah Gyrus usually aren't too too I walked away to go get a drink. Um and it was it was done and she consumed him except for like one leg. Like the entirety of him just gone. **2:48:29** · Yeah. **2:48:29** · Rip George. **2:48:31** · Rip Michael Sarah. Rip George. **2:48:35** · Yeah. **2:48:35** · Well, passed away. **2:48:42** · Poor guy. **2:48:44** · Um, so do you do you know why that Escal laid its sack not on a wall? Do you think it's confused as to the orientation of its burrow? **2:49:00** · I I think she did that and I think that it's my fault. Um, so I paired all of those spiders at once and was expecting a much longer gestation time and was obviously like misting everybody, doing everything right, but she was in a like temporary setup that I had reused for her pairing um because her big exotera does not fit inside of my aquarium and it's very heavy and I didn't want to put glass inside glass and then have to make a whole tent so it would fit correctly. **2:49:31** · Um, so I put her in a large critter keeper that I had used to transport her in the past that I had just never um cleaned out. So it had like her old webbing and stuff in it and she just like went right back down into her old burrow. Um, and then I didn't rehouse her back into her Exotera and then she laid it in on a very annoying piece of like burrow/cork. **2:49:52** · So I I don't think that she necessarily made a mistake as much as I made a mistake with like not rehousing her soon enough. Okay, I get you now. **2:50:01** · But it had been like no time it felt like. And when the Versell and the Escal laid their sacks on the same day, then I had a slight panic about how many spiders I paired back to back to back. So, we don't know like how many sacks we might have in short form because we paired all of the spiders from Dritz. Um, we paired David Species Panama. We paired two. Nice. **2:50:29** · We paired a species Panama are absolutely goddamn beautiful. Okay. **2:50:34** · I am hoping to with one of these sacks trade for a few slings to raise up our own male because I've had a lot of trouble with males that have been shipped. Um really why why do you think that is? **2:50:47** · I don't know. It's like, and I don't know if they were always like this like beforehand, but um when attempting to pair the most recent Davis species Panama, which um the T-spot was super amazing and let us sneak in on the Panama train because the Panama was already in California. **2:51:03** · So I got him from Victor at Vexotic Me and the male had already been very silly with him, like spent hours like punching her in the face and never like getting underneath her. Mhm. **2:51:14** · And I probably spent 20, 30 hours with the Panamas and the girls were very gentle with him, but he just like never really got it together. **2:51:27** · Um, and there were two times in the course of two days where they were like close and I blinked and then they were gone on the opposite side of the enclosure. I was like, did you did you do that? like and then it happened one more time, the same thing. Whereas like for the rest of those 20 hours, like they just chilled next to each other. No running, no nothing. So, um I shipped him after that. I was like, you know, I've attempted for I think it was like two weeks. **2:51:58** · I was like, I don't feel comfortable like boguarding this mail that has like a list of ladies he needs to get to. So, if it worked with that girl, great. And if it didn't, I'm not willing to keep risking it. So, I sent him to Christina at Wonderland Exotics who had one or two females to work with. **2:52:14** · And I haven't heard if the pairing was successful. I'll have to ask her. Um, but I've had this had a similar thing with GBB mails. And I'm not sure if that's what's going on with the smaller GBB mail we got from Dits is sometimes like when I receive a mail and they've been shipped, sometimes they're just like they don't I don't know if they don't have any more in the tank after the shipping stress or what happens. **2:52:36** · They're disoriented maybe like yeah but it's like they just never get it right. Um erectile dysfunction type deal something like that. And it has been more with GBBS. Um we had one male that was shipped that was old and like I think he got it get got it together but we don't we aren't for sure. Um, that was my first pairing with Guju was my first fighter, my GBB, and this like elderly male GBB, geriatric, an older gentleman. **2:53:10** · Yes. And he attempted to uh \[ \_\_ \] her mol. **2:53:15** · Nice. **2:53:16** · Solidly like tried to get it on with her mol. And she's just like waiting for him. **2:53:20** · Stud. What a literal stud. The old man's trying to get off. **2:53:24** · Yeah, we named him Starfish. Um he's he's a cute Yeah. Um, so I after I think this set, my hope is that our holdbacks from 2024 will start to have males so I won't have to ship males in **2:53:43** · um or I can penalt and then not have to worry about that because I the one time that I shipped a penult mail and then he matured with me, he paired with like three girls um which for a GBB is like is Yeah. Um, Dans got around. **2:54:02** · He did. He did. Um, his run was ended by a girl that saw him, stuck a fang in his head, and then dropped him. So, it was a disrespectful end to a very sweet damn. **2:54:19** · Um, so that sucked. That was another That's iconic. Low key. **2:54:24** · Yeah. **2:54:26** · Like lowkey super iconic. **2:54:28** · Yeah. **2:54:28** · I cried. I was not I wasn't prepared. It was like my first solo pairings where these GBBs and one of the girls just disrespectfully murdered him and then dropped him. Didn't even eat him. **2:54:41** · Damn. **2:54:42** · But she did she did produce our only good sack from 2024. So at the end of it, like she was good, but I still was upset her she had a label on her enclosure that just said murderer for like two years. That's actually really funny. **2:55:01** · But yeah, for 2024, we paired three GBBS, had three sacks. Um, only one of them was viable and one was from my first spider and she passed away. We think eggbound. And then 2025 paired three spiders, had three sacks, and two were viable. The one that wasn't viable was when we paired with a really old mature male. And we posit that that might have been the issue is he just didn't have it left in him. Um, so yeah, hopefully we'll pair more GBVs and have a better percentage because you went from 33% to 50% uh like good or 33 to 66. Yeah, I can count. **2:55:34** · Um, but hopefully we'll just kind of keep increasing like good sacks by kind of reducing the issues that we saw in past years. **2:55:46** · What uh what projects are you kind of um like I don't want to say building up but like building up uh for the future, you know? Are you getting into any old world uh any more old world things? **2:56:03** · Talk of heterella. **2:56:05** · I I I just I know you sent a picture of some pogies at some point. **2:56:16** · Yeah. **2:56:16** · So, we have one I would say sub subad adult pivot female. Um we have a pet I would say juvenile and four slings. Um a few regalis slings. I think they might all be male. **2:56:34** · Um, they were part of a mystery box from Amy at FangHub and she was so excited to send them and the mystery box had so many males in it and she felt so bad cuz she they were just like unsex fighters and I was like I think all these they were like third instar regalas. I was like I think all of them are male and she's like there's no way. Um I think they're all male. **2:56:56** · That's actually hilarious. **2:56:57** · Like I I'm fine. I love getting males. I love the way that they act. I love um raising them out and getting to participate in like breeding projects. Um my boss just called me. That was weird. **2:57:15** · No, you're in trouble. **2:57:16** · I know. **2:57:17** · Uhoh. **2:57:20** · Frantically typing. What the \[ \_\_ \] do you want? **2:57:23** · Hey. **2:57:24** · Oh my gosh. Um can you guys punt me to the room real quick? My uh letters. You got it. Yeah. Um, it's a lot of spiders she's got going on over there. **2:57:42** · Yeah. **2:57:44** · Escals. **2:57:46** · A lot of Victoria versy GBBS for days, dude. Ana's GBB queen. **2:57:57** · I don't know. Did Dritz I sent that mail to Ditz? I don't know if he ever got made it to the finish line. **2:58:03** · Who? **2:58:04** · I had a male green bottle. **2:58:08** · Oh, he might have got he might have got \[ \_\_ \] probably. It was like I think that was that's the I don't I don't know if that was in the box with the classy or not. I think it might have been. But sometimes those green bottle blue women he basically was like, "Are you prepared for this this male to die?" I was like, "You either burn out or fade away, you know?" **2:58:35** · Listen, man. **2:58:36** · Again, he's here for a good time, not a long time. **2:58:39** · No. Yep. Bro, he's got one job, okay? **2:58:42** · He's coming to Massachusetts and he's gonna \[ \_\_ \] All right. Or he's going to try. **2:58:47** · Boston. **2:58:48** · Yeah. **2:58:51** · He's going to bang or he's going to get banged. **2:58:53** · Seriously, why is there a Dunkin Donuts on like every single corner? So, I'm going to be honest, dude. I could go outside my front door, look to the left, and there's a Dunkin Donuts at the end of the street. I'm not even kidding. If I was up there, we would be driving on the road, and there would literally be one on one side and directly across, one on the other side. **2:59:13** · There's another Dunkin Donuts. Yeah. **2:59:15** · Any sense? **2:59:16** · Yeah. It's It's What is wrong with these people in their Dunkin Donuts? **2:59:20** · It's cultural. What's wrong with us, dude? Oh, god. All of it. **2:59:23** · It's not even that good. **2:59:26** · It's not about that, dude. It's a cultural thing. It's a colloquialism. **2:59:30** · Coffee. **2:59:32** · Starbucks is is so much better than Dunkin, dude. **2:59:36** · Dude, if and when you visit, we'll go to Dunks. I'm going to get some Dunk in here. And I don't get it. I don't It's not the same. It's not the same, dude. **2:59:44** · Maybe. I know. Do y'all have Chick-fil-A up there? **2:59:47** · Yeah, we got Chick-fil-A. Yeah. **2:59:49** · You don't have Bojangles or Waffle House, though? **2:59:52** · No, we don't have that \[ \_\_ \] No. I wish we had Waffle House, bro. I'd live there, dude. I got one like five minutes down the road from my house. **3:00:01** · It's probably so good. **3:00:02** · So good. **3:00:04** · It's probably dangerous. **3:00:07** · No, that one's actually not bad. The ones on the other side of town. Uh, it's a different different story. **3:00:13** · There's one in particular. **3:00:14** · Bojangles. Dude, I don't think I ever done seen one of those. **3:00:18** · They're all right. I ain't this much. **3:00:21** · What do you even get there? **3:00:23** · It's like chicken. **3:00:27** · We've got a We've got a Dave's Hot Chicken. Uh the same plaza as the Dunks near me. And then we also just put a Raising Canes in. Um but I will not be spending money at Raising Canes due to the ridiculous portion size and prices. **3:00:47** · I think we're there's been talk of us getting one here. I've never been, so I don't I don't know. Yeah, it's you're not I'm not writing home about it. I'll tell you that. It looks pretty mid. Um my last time I actually It's funny, dude. Last time I was at my mechanic, he was freaking out, dude. He was like, "Dude, did you go to the new Raisin Canes? Like I I went yesterday, I got chicken whatever sandwich. It was so good." And I was like, "Dude, get away from me." **3:01:18** · You know what I love is when when Ditz gets fired up and his Boston accent just gets heavier and heavier and heavier. Like he gets he gets more and more hood the angrier he gets. He sounds more and more like a character from Good Fellas. **3:01:37** · Yeah, it's pretty funny. I think he's from the town. Yeah, that was such a good movie. **3:01:42** · Yeah. Yeah, I know. It was such a good movie, dude. This film down the street happened in your backyard. **3:01:48** · Yeah, dude. Literally 20 feet from me. **3:01:50** · Right over there. **3:01:51** · See, you get cool movies like that. You know what my town's like super famous for and known for? **3:01:57** · The Kazoo Museum. **3:01:58** · Forest Gump. **3:02:01** · Dude, what? That's super cool. **3:02:04** · A lot of Forest Gump was filmed here, but they don't even It's not even set in South Carolina. It's set in like Alabama, but like it was actually filmed here. It's Why wouldn't they just film it in Alabama? **3:02:19** · Because it's nicer here. I don't know. **3:02:22** · Yeah, but aren't you guys like the same climate? Like, you know what I'm saying? **3:02:25** · Isn't Alabama just right near you guys? **3:02:27** · Isn't it down there? **3:02:28** · No, it's like a six-hour drive, dude. **3:02:31** · Oh, I don't know, dude. It's all the same down there, man. **3:02:34** · It's on the golf. Golf Gulf of You're on the golf. **3:02:38** · No, dude. **3:02:41** · It's a big pond. **3:02:44** · But Forest Gump, everyone's like, "Oh my god, dude." That's I mean, that's cool, man. Like, I don't know. That's That was It's an entertaining movie. **3:02:56** · It's so overrated. **3:02:58** · It's good. Like, I'll give you that. It's a good movie, but I It's really not worth the hype. **3:03:08** · Wow. And they they lean on it way too heavily around here around these parts. **3:03:18** · Like I find it cooler that Full Metal Jacket was shot on Paris Island where the where the Marine Recruiting Depot is here. At least I think it was. I don't know. **3:03:30** · Oh, really? That's pretty cool. **3:03:35** · That's actually really cool. I didn't know that. Wow. You learn something new every day, Justin. You know. **3:03:42** · Yeah. Here in 29 Palms, dude, that's the two marine recruiting depots. **3:03:47** · Wow. **3:03:49** · We have the air. Absurd. **3:03:50** · All the jets where they do all the training of the jets and pilots. **3:03:54** · The jets and everything super secretive. Like there's signs all over the air station that say no. No photography. **3:04:01** · Do you take pictures? **3:04:02** · No. I ain't trying to get arrested, bro. **3:04:06** · They don't play. **3:04:12** · That's awesome. **3:04:14** · Yeah, I don't think you'd do well in prison. **3:04:18** · Thanks. **3:04:25** · Oh. **3:04:27** · Um, okay. Ana is alive. **3:04:32** · She told us. Oh, is she good? **3:04:36** · Yeah, she said I'm alive. **3:04:37** · Oh, okay. **3:04:38** · I'm gonna say she had like ad to stage over her face, so I couldn't see if she was still on the phone or not. So, yeah, I I survived um an urgent HR call. **3:04:50** · What I do when I'm not watching uh spiders do things? **3:04:57** · Save lives via HR. **3:05:00** · If only. Um but yeah, HR is great. the fires out. **3:05:04** · Spiders are greater. Um, facts. **3:05:07** · Like the more chill part of my life is the part with animals versus the part with people. **3:05:12** · Uh, I feel that you're telling me. **3:05:17** · I feel like my HR solution is everyone just shut up and go back to doing your job. **3:05:25** · You got a problem with each other? **3:05:26** · Sweet. Go out back and settle it. I'll give five bucks to the winner. But after that, it's over. **3:05:34** · You got to get back to work. **3:05:35** · You're moving on. You got to be BFFs now or else. **3:05:44** · Before I jumped off, you were asking if we have any old world plans. Um, we sent two Hilicella mails to Tom Saxon and he produced 15 sacks. **3:05:57** · Yeah, I saw that the other day. I was like, "Oh my god." **3:06:00** · Oh my god. Um, and that was 15 from two from four. So, we get I think splits from about half the sacks. We'll see how that all goes, but pretty big deal. **3:06:12** · Duritz paired one female with one of our males before he got eaten. We shipped another male to a friend of ours in the server for her first breeding project, which is so exciting. Um, like part of raising out males means that like you get to share those things with people that maybe don't have the experience because a lot of vendors um, and more like professional breeders might choose to just work with people that are more experienced. **3:06:39** · Um, and I know that based on our GBB success, like more people are willing to work with us, which is obviously cool, but it means that we're coming from a place of privilege where other people might not get those same opportunities. **3:06:55** · I mean, I can understand with some of those higher risk sort of species, you know, it's harder. Yeah. Like it's more it requires a little more experience and the chances of of things going sideways are high. Like I can understand from that that perspective with certain certain projects for sure. **3:07:15** · Yeah, absolutely. Um it's like me with the Bambas. Like I want to I'm like do I keep the mail and try and pair him or do I just send him to ditz because I don't know what I'm doing. Like what do you No, you \[ \_\_ \] No, Justin. You're going to keep him. You're going to try to pair him. I am. I'm just saying like this is I feel like this is one of those instances where it's likehood where something's gonna get messed up and that male you're gonna be a stud. You're gonna be a stud, Justin. **3:07:41** · No, I don't. **3:07:42** · Yeah, I will tell. **3:07:43** · You're going to feed them up with baby food. **3:07:47** · Um I think that there is a part of the hobby where you end up accepting a certain amount of loss. Um, and I don't think that having like this is a species you're really passionate about and I think that you may be doing yourself a disservice by like not trying. Um, GBDs were something that I was really passionate about and I tried and I did a good job surprisingly. **3:08:14** · Um, and obviously again I'm coming from learning so much of this with Guju and getting to apply like protected contact ideas to breeding. Um, that was our first pairing as GBBS. We just put them in a bin in a big bin that wasn't uh was like opaque and they went in there and did the thing. Eventually they cohabed for like more than 24 hours and she didn't eat him. She also didn't eat the mail when I paired her the next year as well. **3:08:45** · Um, but I think it's if you give away all of your males and you don't have people send you mails, you're never going to be able to build that experience. Um, and there are also like probably a lot of breeders near you that you might be able to go and like participate with and learn with. You gain so much experience by seeing things and like getting to experience some hands-on. A lot of the people that go to the Underdark get like a crash course in breeding and you level up that experience so quickly. **3:09:15** · Um, and that is kind of my entire keeping with uh Guju. I learned so much from him so fast. Um, and the same thing with learning as an adviser. Um, you just learn things so quickly when you have a mentor type situation. And the same is true when you're working hands-on with spiders. Um, but yeah, find someone local, hang out with them, pair some spiders. **3:09:42** · It really helps to have someone like Dritz who just knows um or has just done it all, you know, and he'll just show you in his basement. Just come on over. We'll we'll pair the spider, figure it out, hammer it out. **3:10:02** · Yeah. You got to come you got to come to Massachusetts, Justin. You got to make the pilgrimage up north. **3:10:06** · Yeah. Yeah, I definitely need to sort of look at a calendar and figure out when I can make that happen. It's not a long flight. **3:10:16** · Just some put some damage in your pocket and then Yeah. **3:10:19** · show up. **3:10:20** · Yeah. **3:10:20** · Yeah. Isn't that you can actually, you know, spiders do great with X-rays, so you that'd be fine with through TSA and everything. **3:10:29** · I think they they'd question why the vial was where it was. **3:10:34** · Yeah. Oh, yeah. Justin, it would be Yeah, it'd be a sticky situation. **3:10:39** · I've just had them hand check them. **3:10:42** · I don't put them through the X-rays. I just hand them a box full of spiders and then TSA looks at them and says, "Oh, these are not um illegal substances you may go through." **3:10:50** · Are you serious? I was super being facicious and kidding. **3:10:54** · I've I've I've moved a lot of spiders on planes. Um, and it really is dependent on the airline because TSA does not care. It is not a prohibited item per TSA, but it may be a prohibited item per your airline. **3:11:11** · So, depending on if TSA and the airline communicate, which they may in smaller airlines, they probably don't. **3:11:19** · Looking at you, Daytona Beach. Um, it is a small airport. **3:11:26** · Yeah. So Orlando has never had problems with me and I've I've brought some some spidas. Um that's ironic that Daytona would have an issue. **3:11:36** · They called the airline and said, "Do you guys allow this?" And they said absolutely not. **3:11:42** · Like Daytona of all places like Yeah, it's a it's a small airport. And I when people ask about flying with inverts, we kind of say the same thing like TSA. It's not a prohibited item via TSA, but it technically may be prohibited via your airline. So, it only matters if TSA is going to call your airline and tattle on you. **3:12:03** · Um, but yeah, I have like pictures of spiders in like a stuffed animal backpack when I like flew with like some theaposas and I've flown with all sorts of spiders. Um, what? **3:12:14** · Yeah. **3:12:15** · Crazy. **3:12:16** · Um, holy \[ \_\_ \] Yeah. **3:12:19** · Yeah. **3:12:19** · I've not I've not flown with any spiders or or centipedes just yet. I mean, that's probably nothing. Like, you think about all the other weird \[ \_\_ \] they see on a daily basis, dude. That's probably like nothing. **3:12:31** · Yeah. **3:12:33** · Yeah. **3:12:36** · The world that is crazy. I didn't even know that was possible. And I was like super kidding. **3:12:41** · Yeah. **3:12:41** · Um Wow. **3:12:44** · I was flying back and forth so often um that that was like a common thing for me to like have in my pocket or have in my backpack or have in a box um like a not a shipping box but like a USPS box just like will you hand check this please and they'll be like what's in it and then I'll have to tell them spiders and then someone is willing to pick up the box but a lot of people are not. **3:13:10** · Wow. **3:13:10** · Open it. **3:13:12** · Yeah. **3:13:12** · So, I keep them all in clear things so they can look and like make sure that there's nothing illegal in there and it's just really big spiders. **3:13:17** · And then I ask, "If you had to guess, how much do you think this box would cost retail?" **3:13:25** · And it's like, "Oh, yeah. This is like $1,500 in spiders." Like, please don't drop it. **3:13:32** · Wow. **3:13:32** · Mhm. **3:13:34** · That's super cool. I remember getting a big box of centipedes at Delta and I opened the box and all the Delta workers were like, "Holy \[ \_\_ \] that's what was in that box." And they were like, "Oh my god, do you eat those? Is that for food?" And I was like, "No, man. I'm gonna make this bang. **3:13:56** · Eat him alive like a Twizzler." **3:14:03** · Oh, look. the the mature male Balffor that we sent that was ditzes paired. So maybe more Balffory babies. We love that. **3:14:14** · Now would you keep all those with mom? **3:14:17** · I kept the whole sack with mom until like fourthish, maybe fifth instar. **3:14:23** · That's fire. That's fire. **3:14:24** · She was such a good mom. Like that's awesome. And she was a spider that we received as a freebie from Tyler at spider shop and we were buying a different spider at the time and he's like do you think that you would be interested in this spider? Her leg is really messed up and she may be too old to breed. Like I was like I would absolutely love a messed up spider. Like that is my favorite spider. If I could pick, I always want the one that's missing a leg or has a bum leg and she had a leg that was like a full It looked like the end of an umbrella. **3:14:57** · Yeah, it took her two months to fix it completely. Um, and then she had babies last year and I kept most of them. So, I will have her daughters for future breeding projects. Um, but she is my first oldw world. **3:15:14** · Wow. **3:15:17** · and definitely like made me a spider shop stand forever. Um cuz he was like, "Do you want this spider? It's kind of messed up." And I was like, "Yes." How did you know that this is exactly the spider I want? **3:15:29** · Thank you. **3:15:30** · Um I would love that. **3:15:32** · Yeah. **3:15:32** · Her name is Winnie and she's the best. Um but yeah, she was a really good mom. She laid her sack and then spent weeks making like webbing for them to traverse. **3:15:46** · Oh wow. **3:15:47** · They they like have their normal webbing, but they'll make additional webbing because the babies don't really web on their own um to begin with. And I separated them when they started making their own burrows like next to her burrow. **3:16:02** · Mhm. **3:16:02** · Okay. **3:16:03** · Hasn't molted in a long time. And I was like, I don't know if she's going to double clutch. I don't know if she's going to mol. I don't want her to be stressed by other spiders while she's trying to figure that out. **3:16:13** · Yeah, I do think that she could have lived with them forever. I would have obviously needed to upgrade her enclosure to something much bigger. **3:16:20** · She's in like a 20 court sterilite bin. **3:16:24** · Um, and it's like set up a little bit weird because I set it up because for most of the time I had her, she would never burrow at all. I think because of her bum leg. Like she just like didn't have the same mobility that another spider would. So she did a lot of stuff on top of the ground. So she has this like Vshape of cork that she webss up and she like perches on it, but she still doesn't like really burrow much at all. **3:16:48** · Interesting. **3:16:51** · My Balfforia loves to burrow. Mine love to burrow. **3:16:54** · Yeah, all of her sling all of her children burrow, but she does not. **3:16:58** · Like I said, I don't see mine. **3:17:01** · I catch a glimpse every once in a while, but it's usually more laughter lights are out and I'll see her for she'll sit still to make and then she disappears and I'm like, "Oh, well, look at spider. See you in in three months." **3:17:14** · That's how I feel about my Akaya. **3:17:17** · Me. **3:17:20** · Mine are out most mornings like if I go in to turn on the lights because they're not automated. Phil. Um, they'll be out hanging out, but once I start moving stuff around and bumping things, they they disappear pretty much immediately. So, I haven't seen my male in a very long time. I don't know what he's been doing, but hopefully Yeah. Yeah. I feed him period. Stuff's disappearing. Like, he's I'm not seeing crickets setting up shop and living in there. So, they're they're getting ate. **3:17:51** · But he molted a couple weeks ago. **3:17:58** · Is he ready? **3:18:00** · No. I I don't know. Actually, he's got to be getting close, but those females aren't. So, I need to slow him down some. **3:18:09** · Good luck. **3:18:10** · Yeah, send him to Andy. **3:18:12** · Cat or anyone. **3:18:15** · This cat's about to knock over these damn mice. Hell no. **3:18:18** · Oh no. Are they alive? **3:18:20** · Yeah, me. I know. **3:18:25** · Wait, you also keep live mice, huh? **3:18:28** · I do. Just a couple. **3:18:30** · Although Beef is Beef is eating now, so I might uh It's almost time. **3:18:36** · I might send him to the the Great Beyond. **3:18:42** · The Great Beyond. And by that, I mean my Taiwan beauty snake enclosure um after being humanely euthanized, obviously. But we'll see. I I might also just keep them because I have 22 blood python eggs in the incubator. So, usually usually I start live is good to have especially with some of the picky ones. **3:19:04** · Um, so I probably should keep that colony rolling, but I don't. Two small colonies is really not that much work. It's really not that much. **3:19:18** · Fucker's already knocked. **3:19:20** · A mouse escape. **3:19:21** · Me? No, that's not a situation I can afford to happen. Like I can't I and I can't have that happen. **3:19:29** · I cannot. You know, I had some rats getting out when I had my I had more rodents going on. Um you'd see me on the news. You would see me on the news if that happened. **3:19:41** · Those were set up and not in a good way. **3:19:43** · Separate barn, not like a house. Those were over my parents house when I had them. Oh no. I bet your parents were super stoked on I mean I I caught most of them and then the ones that I couldn't I got the pellet gun and handled. **3:19:59** · O they got relocated to heaven. **3:20:03** · Yeah, an interesting relocation choice. **3:20:06** · Um, some of them I couldn't catch like because there was some boards and stuff in there and like as soon as you get close enough to them to to grab them, they just they dip back there and so it was to the point where it's like I can't have y'all reproducing. Fortunately, it was only like two of the group. But it sucked, dude. I hated I hated you. I actually got attached to the rats. I enjoyed those. Those rats are tough, man. **3:20:31** · They're really scary about the rats. Rats are very smart. **3:20:37** · They have a tough bite. **3:20:38** · They're big. They're stinky. **3:20:42** · No rats for film. **3:20:43** · That like may be a product of them being treated like feeders instead of pets. **3:20:48** · The stinky part. I feel like from what little I know based on photos because I am not prepared. If I make eye contact with too many pet rats, I'm afraid I will have my own. So, similar to spiders, I just if I look too long, I will want some. And I I don't think that I could do that to myself, to my cats, to my snakes. It just feels like a weird next step to get pet rats when I have so many pets that would eat rats. **3:21:17** · Um, yeah. **3:21:19** · Yeah, it sucks. anytime I had to had to call, you know, extra males or old males or whatever, it I never never enjoyed it because I I did like them. Like you walk in and they all kind of come to the front of the tub and are looking what you're doing. And you know, they just seem much more cognizant of what's going on compared to mice. And so when it came time to to get the freezer full again, I always felt like a real piece of \[ \_\_ \] But it's part of the game. **3:21:50** · It's part of the gig. Yep. **3:21:52** · I think I will allow the professionals to do that part of the gig. I get mine in a bag and they're frozen and they all look the same and it is just better. Um I was vegan when I started keeping uh reptiles. So Wow. Really? **3:22:08** · Yeah. **3:22:08** · Uh Juju didn't think that I would ever like be interested in snakes to begin with because of that. And I was like, you know, it's not really about me. Like, I can't have a vegan snake. **3:22:20** · I can't like change the snake for what it is, but I don't have to keep those feeders as live things and then do that whole process myself. I don't I don't have the heart for that. Um I I really wish that I didn't have to. It was out of necessity, unfortunately. **3:22:41** · Little fellan. **3:22:42** · Yeah, little beef, man. **3:22:45** · But now he's a freaking rockar. Tease feeder. **3:22:50** · Love that. **3:22:52** · Yeah. **3:22:54** · Well, did we have anything else? We're at three and a half. **3:22:59** · Yeah. **3:22:59** · You know, this is a this was a great episode. Um have plenty of stuff and you can edit out the rest. Um you wanted to talk about protected contact question. Um, but we can table it if you want. **3:23:18** · It's up to y'all. **3:23:22** · I can give you a little protected contact spiel if you'd like. And I don't I don't have to get up crazy early or nothing. Okay. **3:23:30** · Um, yeah, if you want to hit us with the um, yeah, I can give you quick and dirty protected contact spiel and we can have Ju Guu or me send some photos that you can use with them because I think that that kind of helps understand protected contact. And at some point I will have um some recordings of all of this because I do so much of this all the time that I should have recordings and instead I just send people to a tarantula cat video for the bag method **3:23:57** · which is like I love her so it's fine but like by now I should already have my own talking for like smaller slings and bigger spiders and all that jazz but um the definition that we kind of are operating on for protected contact like what that and what that means is um like the keeper is managing the amount of space the animal has to access at any given time during interactions. Um we think about that as another like a barrier method. The barrier between the spider or the animal and the outside. **3:24:30** · That means that a catch cup is protected contact. Your hand could be protected contact. The bathtub, the bag method, air locks, snake hooks are protected contact. So like reptile keepers especially I think are much more familiar with it. They just don't know it. Um false enclosures. So like the \[ \_\_ \] bin for breeding or setting up a small enclosure and doing all of your packing for shipping inside of that. So when the spider pops out of its vial, it just ends up hiding in a bit of dirt or bit of cork instead of into your vents. **3:24:59** · Um it's also seen in veterinary training, vending and keeping circles. um creating some kind of barrier. Um venomous trades, they're also using airlocking. Um but it's essentially just managing the animal. And for me specifically, this was this came out of being like a prior arachnophobe. **3:25:28** · And this allowed me to ensure that my lizard brain couldn't make a mistake because at the end of the day, I'm a much bigger risk to my spider than my spider is to me. So, airlocks allow me to manage a spider's movement in a way that is safe for them, which is great. **3:25:46** · Um, but yeah, so it I find that I use that even in breeding. That \[ \_\_ \] bin is again another version of protected contact. I have enclosures inside a giant enclosure which allows my males to both um kind of act scuaddle but they also get to act like actual mature males in the wild. They have a lot of space to roam. They happen upon their female and it isn't as um like quick and dirty as it is for some other people. And I'm okay with that. **3:26:18** · Like the mature male GBB has been in that bigger enclosure for about a week. **3:26:23** · And if he doesn't act right, then he'll stay in that enclosure for another couple weeks and just until he starts getting comfortable enough to start rain like roaming. And at that point, we'll try again. Um, but yeah, that is kind of protected contact in a nutshell. I think that it gets kind of a bad rap because people believe that you are using protected contact because you're afraid, but really like we use protected contact for a lot of reasons. for the spider safety, for the safety of our other animals, um, for efficiency. **3:26:55** · I would say that I can pack like fast venomous spiders with zero risk to me or to the animal much faster than somebody who is like trying to coax them out and get them into a vial and maybe chasing the spider around the room. Um, like is it a perfect thing? I would say no because obviously there's there's always times where maybe it would be faster for me just to reach in and like pinch grab a spider, but I don't want to do that. I am I definitely don't want to do that. **3:27:29** · And some people have the mechanical prowess that they absolutely can. Um so no shame to people who have those mechanical abilities, but I do not. Whereas like I can pack, you know, 50 hundred spiders myself now, whereas when I started it would take me hours to pack like half a dozen because I was afraid because I was I didn't have as many tools in my toolkit. **3:27:55** · Um, and now I I think the biggest number that I have shipped now is like 130 or something in one day. Um, oh wow, that's quite a few. **3:28:11** · And luckily, like a lot of those ended up being P Victoria, but um like I shipped, you know, 50 something GBBs to Drits. And I am now at a point where I can move all of those very quickly because I learned everything with an extra layer of safety for my spiders and for me. Um, and I think that even if you end up not using protected contact, learning all of those tools means that you have way more options. **3:28:36** · And this is especially good when you have a particularly defensive spider or a fast spider or for keepers who are like less experienced with shipping something that maybe they're concerned about. They were never concerned when it like lived in its enclosure, but now you got to get it into a tiny vial and you have to be very close to that spider to make that happen. Um, So it it totally changes the game versus like normal keeping. Um so for shipping it completely invaluable. **3:29:04** · You I could not do what I do without that as an option. **3:29:13** · But yeah. **3:29:14** · Yeah. **3:29:14** · I mean I don't know like why anybody would frown doing that. Like I don't know about anybody else but I don't have any desire to get bit. Whether it's you know be a bad bite or not. I kind of just don't want to know. Let's save some of the mystery, you know? Yeah. **3:29:33** · Like, if that makes me, I don't know, a wimp or something, like, so be it. Call me a Yeah, you have soft hands, Justin. **3:29:42** · If that's if me not getting chomped on by any of the species I keep, so be it. **3:29:50** · I think that the same kind of Yeah. The same the same kinds of people that um tout that free handling is the right decision for hots are also going to be the kinds of people that say, "Oh, you're doing this because you're afraid." It's like, "No, I'm doing this because it's efficient." Because it's safety because I would like all of my fingers and toes to be attached to me. Um because I don't want to find out how it is to get bit because I don't want to chase a spider up the wall. I can't reach my ceiling. **3:30:20** · If a spider gets out and onto the ceiling, I'm done. I'm cooked. Um, I've only had one escapee ever and it was not related to packing, shipping, rehousing. I was newer in my keeping and I had an Exotera with a glass replacement lid on the floor and two sitting next to each other and my cat jumped on it and shattered the glass lid and a I want to say he was close to 8 in a P regalis mature male got out. **3:30:53** · It's always the damn cats, man. **3:30:55** · And it was my fault. I I don't know why I thought that was okay or why I thought that a cat couldn't break glass. Uh but I was so lucky that nobody was hurt. Um that I wasn't hurt, that my cats weren't hurt. That is a bite that I would fear could be deadly to a cat. **3:31:13** · Um and I'm also lucky that that was the enclosure that broke because the enclosure next to him was his girlfriend. Oh, a mature male is a much better option to have out than a full-g grown adult. P Regalis. Um, mama. **3:31:30** · I cried. I sobbed. I screamed at Juju. Um, he wasn't there. We're on the phone and he's like, "You need to calm down. You were you cannot do this this way. You will not find it. You are risking things." So, I yelled and he's he waited. Patience of a saint, that man. **3:31:50** · Um, when I lose my marbles, I I can't remember losing my marbles like that. very often and maybe never about a spider thing, but um I put on gloves. I grabbed a large critter keeper and took the lid off and I worked in concentric circles out and he was on my wall. **3:32:10** · Um he was less than 10 feet from a hole about this big in my ceiling. And if he'd gotten to that, then I wouldn't have been on the news without a good reason. Um, yeah, it would have that was a we're taking the cats out and we are taking the spiders out. We're going to have to like am I going to have to tent my house? Like do we light it on fire? Like what's the protocol for walls? **3:32:35** · Let it down. **3:32:37** · Um, but I caught him. There's a picture on Reddit of it's like I posted it because I I wanted to show that like everybody makes mistakes and especially like when people get advice from me on Reddit now like they need to know that I'm not perfect. Um and that particular brand of not perfect is like the worst kind. Giant oldw world on your wall. But I put my giant catch cup over him. I got him in. I cried some more and I shipped him the very next day. um with a bunch of other spiders. **3:33:10** · I'm like, I can't do this. These need to go. They can't be here. **3:33:14** · Um so, meltdown aside, uh I named him Nightmare and he was fine in shipping. **3:33:22** · He probably did great. **3:33:24** · Yeah, he was great. Huge male. Um what a stud. **3:33:28** · Yeah, he did not make babies, but he also didn't eat my cat, so a win's a win, I guess. **3:33:36** · Yeah. Positive. Yeah, very positive. **3:33:40** · But yeah, protected contact saved me. It saves my hobby and it lets me like work in ways that I think other keepers might not because they don't know it's an option. Um I love getting to tell people about the \[ \_\_ \] bin, especially people who are pairing GBBS because they're like, "How did you do it? How did you make pair six spiders and get six sacks?" And it's like the \[ \_\_ \] bin. **3:34:03** · The \[ \_\_ \] bin. Truly similar to the sex dungeon. Yeah. **3:34:07** · The \[ \_\_ \] Exactly the same basically. Um, mine is bigger and I keep isopods in it. It's bioactive. **3:34:17** · Um, do you have a sticker on your \[ \_\_ \] bin that says I love girl farts or is that just me? **3:34:23** · That's just you. I would put that on there though. Will you want me to put an I love farts sticker on there? I would. **3:34:27** · I was just curious. Yeah. Asking for a friend. Really? **3:34:31** · Yeah, I guess we could put stickers on the \[ \_\_ \] bin. Never really thought about it because I take like really bad photos through the the not very clear plastic. **3:34:39** · Yeah. Yeah. No, I have I have an I love girl farts sticker on it. **3:34:43** · I love that. **3:34:44** · Yeah. My mother asked me why it was there and I was like why why there mom? That's where it goes. **3:34:53** · And everything has to be in its place. **3:34:56** · Right. Yeah. What am I a degenerate? **3:35:00** · Yeah. Psychotic. **3:35:03** · Truly truly psychotic. Um, come on, Mom. **3:35:07** · You wouldn't get it. What do we What do we live in a barn? You're embarrassing me in front of my friends. **3:35:12** · In front of my peeds. **3:35:13** · Yeah. God, mom. Now the centipedes think I'm a fool. They thought I loves girl farts. **3:35:20** · As is tradition. They should. **3:35:23** · All the mics need to know. **3:35:25** · Every single mic. **3:35:28** · All of them. **3:35:29** · Yeah. For those listening, if you didn't know, all of the centipedes are named Mike. **3:35:34** · All the male centipedes are named Mike. **3:35:36** · Some variation, some variety, some iteration of Mike, Michael, whatever you want to call them, Mike. They're all Do you think Mike is offended that you only named this the peds that are going to die after like boning a few times after him? **3:35:55** · He like was like he said something to me today. He was like, "Dude, that really wasn't that creative or something." And I was like, "Dude, I feel attacked." Like, I think it's kind of hilarious. **3:36:03** · It's literally Yeah, I think that's wicked funny. Like, cuz he used to not be into centipedes and then a couple of things transpired and now he wants centipedes, you know? **3:36:15** · He's trying Yeah. He's trying to indoctrinate me into his cult. **3:36:19** · Yeah. Well, it's not happening. **3:36:23** · The mash disciple. Yeah. Yeah. It's uh it's only a matter of time, Justin, before you two are a mash disciple. **3:36:33** · It might be because of mint legs. **3:36:35** · I'll never go to a mint leg. **3:36:40** · You're not getting me. **3:36:43** · He has your I'm strong will and power unlike Mike. **3:36:50** · It's only a matter of time, dude. Yeah, Mike. Dude, Mike, I remember the first Dude, he saw me. I was I was popping centipede genitals at Ditz's house and he walked in the room in the basement and he was like, "Dude, put that away." And he just turned around and left. And that was like my first interaction with Mike seeing a centipede like, "Dude, put that get that get that out of here. Put that away." **3:37:15** · What a gem. **3:37:17** · I know. A wholesome individual. He's, you know, well on his way to Peter becoming a centipede. Yeah, Peter becoming a centipede extraordinaire. He has uh he has that gravid female. I gave him I gave him Captain Mike, the male Captain Mike. So, uh hopefully he'll he'll be able to get some things done this weekend. **3:37:43** · That female's going to get him. His name is gonna be Captain Crunch. It could. It could be, dude. He's got some big women. **3:37:51** · Captain Crunch. Oh no. **3:37:54** · That's too good. **3:37:55** · RIP. RIP Michael Sarah. **3:38:00** · Too soon. Taken from us. **3:38:02** · Taken too soon. Yeah, it's gone too soon. **3:38:04** · That the one that uh the behavior was misread and it was angry behavior and not Yeah, I Yeah, I had a uh I had a 50-50 shot on that one. Um, it's like this is good or bad. I thought it was good and it turned out to be really bad. Uh, she was hungry. Poor guy was in there probably calling for help like somebody get me out of here. **3:38:25** · Help. Please get me out of here. She's here. **3:38:28** · It's happening. **3:38:29** · Oh, they're having sex. Yeah, this is great. She's like killing him. **3:38:36** · Yeah, dude. I found his head. I found his head. **3:38:38** · Jesus. **3:38:39** · And like a couple of little legs. That was all that was. **3:38:42** · Yeah, dude. survivors. **3:38:44** · Oh man, she ate his whole body. **3:38:48** · No. At least she didn't waste him. **3:38:50** · Yeah, you're right. No waste around here. Not around these parts. **3:38:55** · Yeah. **3:38:57** · Do you think that a centipede would eat like a a recently passed spider? **3:39:02** · Yeah, I've done it. My Yeah. Yeah. My mature male Haiti Haiti for my first pairing, he died after he \[ \_\_ \] So instead of throwing them away, I gave him to a centipede and she ate him. **3:39:17** · I mean, I guess they don't they eat like rotting stuff in the wild? **3:39:22** · Yeah. There's tons of observations on I naturalist of them eating like dead \[ \_\_ \] So yeah, I don't know. He ate all of it. Abdomen car, like the whole shebang. **3:39:36** · That's what my isopods are in the \[ \_\_ \] bin for. Um like if a male gets munched like carcasses. **3:39:43** · Yeah. **3:39:44** · My last my GBB male last year um like he paired with all my females. So he just lived out the rest of his life in the big bin and then he returned to the earth. **3:39:56** · That's so cool. **3:39:58** · Went out like a ball. **3:39:59** · So cool. **3:40:00** · He just died and became dirt. What a \[ \_\_ \] stud, dude. **3:40:04** · Michael Sarah's dirt somewhere, you know? He died and became dirt. Yeah, reincarnated Mr. Dirt. **3:40:12** · A quick reincarnation for sure. **3:40:14** · Shout out Michael Sarah. **3:40:18** · Yeah, but not forgotten. **3:40:20** · Truly, it was pretty cool to be able to pair GBBS and finish with a male and just have him still there. You like get through everything. It's like, all right, like we're doing okay. Um he's a champion. He was he paired with both of the girls and then he walked for another month or so and then he passed again and then he passed and then the ice Yeah. **3:40:48** · Um but yeah like males when they start to decline like they don't have a good option really. They will just keep doing they'll just keep looking for females or they'll stop and they'll sit in a curl. **3:41:02** · Um, I do feel much better when I get to either use my mature males myself or ship them off because after watching a couple of mature males um like degrade over time and just how long they seem to be like suffering is a it's a human word. I I don't know that it is suffering for them, but struggling. Yeah, struggling is a great word for that because they like will sit in a curl and then you flood them. You basically drown them and then they're like, "Okay, I'm alive again." **3:41:30** · But then they won't drink on their own unless you do the same thing all over again. And it just it feels like you're prolonging the inevitable and they just don't have any good days left. Um yeah, for my like vertebrae animals, I'm very against that. Um I would rather be like a week too early than like a day too late. **3:41:48** · And like if you're keeping a mature male forever that like you're you are so far beyond too late. Um Yeah. Yeah. males go out doing what they love or they pair then immediately pass. **3:42:02** · I've had that happen a couple of times and it's just like were you just holding on for this one time? **3:42:07** · Yeah, man. Gab was trying to nut. What a stud. It had to do what he had to do. **3:42:12** · There's there's no no more race to win when you've already crossed the finish line. **3:42:19** · Amy Panama, her Davis species Panama last year and he paired amazingly with one of my girls. **3:42:25** · Wow. and then immediately passed like hadn't even made another sperm web. It was in perfect condition still and he was like I guess kind of older so it didn't surprise me but he only paired with the one female and then passed. So I felt like I felt a little bit cheated. Um and then she molted out and my other girl that hadn't been super receptive molted twice in the span of four months. **3:42:48** · So like it made sense that she wasn't receptive because she decided to mol instead. **3:42:54** · Spiders are weird. Yeah, probably a lot like working in a nursing home, probably. Yeah. **3:43:04** · You find that used Trojan, you're like, Barry, you did it, buddy. **3:43:11** · Foul. **3:43:12** · Salute him. Send him off. **3:43:15** · Ship him off to the next one. **3:43:16** · Mission accomplished. **3:43:20** · He did it. And then he just rolled. That was what was holding him up. That's that's that's what kept him going. **3:43:30** · That one final climax. **3:43:33** · I'm dead. **3:43:35** · That'll be Phil when he's old one day. **3:43:40** · Yep. I'll be giving all the uh physical therapists physical therapy. **3:43:44** · Jesus. **3:43:46** · Oh no. **3:43:47** · Yeah. screaming about rotator cuffs and bend your knee. I'm going to tear your meniscus. **3:43:57** · Lift with your knees. Lift with your lift with your legs, not your back. **3:44:02** · Yeah. **3:44:03** · Yeah, that's good. **3:44:05** · While they're lifting you, it's a team lift and you're screaming at them to lift with their legs. **3:44:10** · Show them how to set up the game. **3:44:12** · Don't put that much weight on it. **3:44:17** · I don't know what Phil does in his job. **3:44:19** · I don't know what I do in my job either. Justin, what he tells people to do? I'd be like, just get out of the chair and walk, dude. Walk it. Walk it off would be my solution. That's how I do. **3:44:30** · Rub some dirt in it. **3:44:32** · Yeah. **3:44:34** · Like, walk it off. You just got your foot amputated. Walk it off. **3:44:37** · Just stop doing that. Yeah. Just don't do that anymore. **3:44:40** · Some neosporin. You're fine. **3:44:43** · And a band-aid. **3:44:45** · And a bamb. **3:44:47** · And a bamb. That's right. **3:44:49** · It'll solve everything. **3:44:52** · You be like, "What am I supposed to do with this?" **3:44:54** · Put it in your pocket for good luck. **3:44:56** · Cherish it. Love it. **3:45:04** · Okay. **3:45:05** · We did it. We talked protected. We talked all the things for a million years. Um, thanks for uh having me. It was fun. **3:45:17** · Thanks like literally so much for coming on. Uh, this was uh excellent. So I we definitely really appreciate it. **3:45:24** · Seriously. **3:45:25** · Absolutely. **3:45:25** · Um, and I think that kind of future if we want to plan like shorter pieces where we talk about this so you can post like some educational content in between like longer podcast, we can do that too. **3:45:38** · Oh. **3:45:41** · Me and Juju have been been throwing some ideas at each other. **3:45:45** · Love that. Well, you keep throwing ideas at him and then they'll filter through to me eventually. Um but yeah, love that. There's a lot that I think that um like may get through to different kinds of people if they hear it like on podcast being talked about normally versus like just educational content from TA because like that's predominantly when we'll do like TA content. **3:46:09** · It's going to be a lot of like educational stuff, which is important, but if that's all you do, like the subset of people that are particularly interested in that might be different than people who would just want to hear people talk about bugs. **3:46:21** · Yeah, exactly. **3:46:23** · Yeah. **3:46:24** · Well, this episode, as always, brought to you byapparel.com. Shirts, hats, mugs, things, sweatshirts, uh, all that good stuff. Go check it out. Use the code THN at checkout. Get 15% off your order. So that is the exclusive promo code for TH and listeners and viewers like you. 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